No Salvage Fixes until after march of next year? Camate tell me it isnt so.

You've promised us salvage updates for a while now and we're not seeing them on your road map at all. Which means we wont see a fix to salvage for over 5 months. This can't be serious. I hope this was overlooked. For people working on mythics this is the only way we can have alexandrite coming into the market that we can add to our horde of rocks. Its horrendous with the lack of attention to salvage already. Talk about killing people's hopes and dreams that there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. Please Camate tell me this was an oversight and they just forgot to include it.

Eh, there's a couple of possibilities for why it's not in the list:

1) Nyzul basement floors (coming in December) will hand out alexandrite; or
2) the new Magian trials and/or Synergy additions (November) will include some that involve Salvage gear.

Either of those would potentially bring more alexandrite into the system without adjusting Salvage's drop rates.

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Originally Posted by MDenham

1) Nyzul basement floors (coming in December) will hand out alexandrite; or
2) the new Magian trials and/or Synergy additions (November) will include some that involve Salvage gear.

Either of those would potentially bring more alexandrite into the system without adjusting Salvage's drop rates.

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Those are test server dates. Not actual server dates. Those updates will be later than the roadmap dates. Probably by about 5 months.

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Originally Posted by Xellith

Those are test server dates. Not actual server dates. Those updates will be later than the roadmap dates. Probably by about 5 months.

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More like by about a month, if the test server cycle keeps to the same pace it's started at.

So January and December instead of December and November for live dates on these - but the complaining for Salvage updates can start in December anyway from people on the test server if they're not implementing either of those.

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Originally Posted by Xellith

Those are test server dates. Not actual server dates. Those updates will be later than the roadmap dates. Probably by about 5 months.

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The first test server session didn't take 5 months. Expect a month of lag at most, unless testing needs to be extended.

We should take Camate hostage until the devs meet our salvage demands, now to check if the JPs are complaining about the same thing so i can comment over there

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Originally Posted by Juilan

We should take Camate hostage until the devs meet our salvage demands, now to check if the JPs are complaining about the same thing so i can comment over there

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But the devs don't actually care about Camate, if they did they wouldn't give him such ridiculous news to bring back to the players ;) Better to kidnap the coffee boy for the secretary for the 2nd assistant subscenario director of Final Fantasy XIV, that will get the attention we need!

I need a 99% meme with Tanaka holding it up. Pretty much agree with Hashmalum we'd need to do something to threaten the progress/release of FFXIV to get any attention from them at this point. Camate really doesnt have an easy job. He has to come into work everyday and read his emails and just jaw drop at what they want him to tell us.

It's not Salvage that needs to be changed imo, the event is fine as it is and it's easy enough to get any armor from there, with the only challenging piece I could think of being 35 Skadi's body. What needs to be changes is people's incentive to do it to increase supply and they might have that though the proposed Magian or Synergy augments that have been mentioned like someone said.

They can't likely make a 75 content event have the best gear anymore (other than Mythics) without increasing the difficulty of the event.

If an event doesn't have at least situational gear then no one will do it.

That being said it's beyond me how one of the most popular endgame events at 75 isn't high on their priority list...

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

They can't likely make a 75 content event have the best gear anymore (other than Mythics) without increasing the difficulty of the event.

If an event doesn't have at least situational gear then no one will do it.

That being said it's beyond me how one of the most popular endgame events at 75 isn't high on their priority list...

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I'm more concerned about why Salvage isn't higher on more player's priority lists. It was easily the most fun event in the game at 75 cap, but because it was a hardcore event you didn't see many casual players having the opportunity to do it. Now, any group of casual players can do Salvage - and it's still fun and rewarding for them (since it's not like casuals are rocking better stuff than usukane/ares/skadi/morrigan's/marduk's anyways).

This is the time for people who have never had anything more exciting to do than EXP, Dynamis, and Limbus to get up and go do all the fun events that HNM players hogged to themselves for all those years.

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I'm more concerned about why Salvage isn't higher on more player's priority lists. It was easily the most fun event in the game at 75 cap, but because it was a hardcore event you didn't see many casual players having the opportunity to do it. Now, any group of casual players can do Salvage - and it's still fun and rewarding for them (since it's not like casuals are rocking better stuff than usukane/ares/skadi/morrigan's/marduk's anyways).

This is the time for people who have never had anything more exciting to do than EXP, Dynamis, and Limbus to get up and go do all the fun events that HNM players hogged to themselves for all those years.

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It's still not an event a group of 3 new players can delve into though, you need some serious experience in the event to successfully farm 35's and get to the boss in time to kill it (not hard if you know what you're doing, but can you imagine if some players who have only skimmed wiki and never done the event tried it?). It's a very daunting task to ask of casuals in the end

Salvage is the worst content ever made. The fact that they even think of working on it again is a sign that the developers rather listen to insane advices than good ones.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Salvage is the worst content ever made. The fact that they even think of working on it again is a sign that the developers rather listen to insane advices than good ones.

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Sometimes I read your comments, and wonder where you get such silly ideas from. Drop rates aside, Salvage has to be one of the best content ever next to Limbus. Both events, allowed for short(er) and more simple risk:reward runs than what Dynamis used to be, sky, most of sea, and camping NMs day in and day out. It was definitely more challenging than most other events, but that only lied in the previous play style without the first cell box.

I'ma go on a limb and say you've never really taken Salvage seriously at any point in time in FFXI.

Salvage is okay, I can't stand the cell system tho. What really gets to me is walking out of salvage with enough cells to unlock all of your gear and abilities again and not being able to use them on the next trip. Seems kind of silly to even let you zone out with them in the first place. If anything i'd like to see this address in some kind of way.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Salvage is the worst content ever made. The fact that they even think of working on it again is a sign that the developers rather listen to insane advices than good ones.

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And to retort anyone listening to your guidelines of crappy content on a development side need to stay away from my game, salvage was quite possibly the most challenging dose of content of the past age, and hopefully comes back with even more challenges and top tier rewards.

Salvage is super annoying. the whole point system involved in nyzul Isle is poorly made, and events where they impose level/gear/subjob limitations suck ass. Most people did it ONLY for the gear, and hated every minute of it.

I enjoy salvage. I like it. They should give more zones to clear or just add second tier to each remnant. People who say its annoying or something go play WoW seriously lol - stop QQ already, FFXI is on good way to have more fun!

It is annoying. WTF does WOW have to do with this? You stop QQ. I hope they take away everything you love about Salvage, and make it a soloable event with crazy high drop rates like abyssea. :P

You are QQing atm because its annoying and hard for you lol, its not. Just need to learn how to play. WoW is game for casuals and kids, that's why i connected with this lolWoW.

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You are QQing atm because its annoying and hard for you lol, its not. Just need to learn how to play. WoW is game for casuals and kids, that's why i connected with this lolWoW.

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I have 2 characters with BB Monk, and a 3rd character with 95 red mage and white mage. I can pretty much solo the whole thing. Salvage is like waiting in line at the DMV. Not hard. Just annoying.

Maybe it would be less annoying if you took better jobs?

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Originally Posted by Vicious

Maybe it would be less annoying if you took better jobs?

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Never mind that a monk, black belt or not, could probably solo 90% of Salvage anyway.

Salvage's downfall and ultimate roadblock was the assault point requirements. It wasn't nearly as widespread and popular as people think. And it's still horribly limiting now even with the new 500 points cost. That's ultimately why I never did Salvage, because I NEVER could get enough people doing assaults to gather points for it. Great for hardcore players that could team up and restock their assault points, terrible for everyone else after assaults went the way of the dinosaurs.

I'll even go so far as to say that I approve of the system. I like that it always makes assaults relevant to do. But it's content for hardcore players. Just how it is. They need content to cater to them, too. And Salvage is about as hardcore as you can get. Even if casuals could enter freely I imagine they'd have a really hard time keeping interest in doing it.

And I still need assaults done to get cpt rank. Know how many assault shouts I've seen since the moment Visions of Abyssea was released? Yeah. I can't count the shouts on one hand. Eff ever getting cpt rank, that's for sure. LOL at the idea of ever doing Salvage on a regular basis. But alas I'll keep trying to find people to team up. And I'm sure I'll continue to see the same factor as always putting an end to those attempts: End game schedule conflicts.

Salvage was always fun. Reduce the entrance requirements (to 1 person), up the Alexandrite drop rate (linen pouches off any chariot, for instance), and boost the Salvage set stats (just double everything, npnp) and the event will be popular again.

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Originally Posted by MDenham

Never mind that a monk, black belt or not, could probably solo 90% of Salvage anyway.

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Actually salvage was very accomodating of varying jobs. I had more oppertunities to use most of the jobs I play there than anywhere else before it came out. PUP was very strong in salvage because the automaton didn't need gear unlocks to function at near full capacity, for instance. Granted if people wanted to do stuff faster they'd usually just add more MNKs but you could use a wide variety of job combinations for specific salvage paths without it being a handicap. Not needing a proc system for job variance, now those were good times.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Actually salvage was very accomodating of varying jobs. I had more oppertunities to use most of the jobs I play there than anywhere else before it came out. PUP was very strong in salvage because the automaton didn't need gear unlocks to function at near full capacity, for instance. Granted if people wanted to do stuff faster they'd usually just add more MNKs but you could use a wide variety of job combinations for specific salvage paths without it being a handicap. Not needing a proc system for job variance, now those were good times.

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Well, yeah. I was referring more to the person saying "you need to take better jobs" when the guy already has a monk, which does quite well in Salvage.

In other words: clearly no, he does not need to take better jobs for Salvage. :D

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Never mind that a monk, black belt or not, could probably solo 90% of Salvage anyway.

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Yeah, MNK wouldn't have trouble with the 12 gear rooms, or the Discoid chariot, or Charm...

MNK MNK RDM-WHM can do most of it just fine, but what's the point without a THF? Hence why he probably finds it irritating.

Make Linen pouches 100% from boss chariots, low droprate from NMs, Alexandrite problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Vicious

Yeah, MNK wouldn't have trouble with the 12 gear rooms, or the Discoid chariot, or Charm...

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At the risk of sounding like I'm promoting a really stupid idea, MNK/SMN could probably handle the Discoid chariot, depending on gear.

However, the point's moot since you have to bring two other people along anyway.

Solo runs have always been possible, so it's not moot.

They could survive it once, twice with a ton of meds, but after that they're toast. I'll stick to Migawari thanks xD

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Originally Posted by MDenham

However, the point's moot since you have to bring two other people along anyway.

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You don't actually have to. If one of the three people happens to DC after you've hit "enter" for the zone and before you've zoned in, they won't be transferred inside and you'll end up with fewer than 3 people. Their permit also will not disappear.

Hammerblow -> Powderkeg -> GG3 -> some gears -> Boss is a very easy dualboxed Salvage run, if the third person happens to DC. Here is a guide.

hammerblow > powerdeg >GG3 > turtle was possible 4 man at lv 75. GG3+turtle was possible 3 man at 75. turtle was possible 2 man at 75. many options now at lv 95 a duo dd+healer can clear everything.

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Originally Posted by Vold

Salvage's downfall and ultimate roadblock was the assault point requirements. It wasn't nearly as widespread and popular as people think. And it's still horribly limiting now even with the new 500 points cost.

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Assault pointhave always been easy. For the starting people, 3 man tier 1 assault with chest ( golden savage) could be done by any trio for 1k point each. Then for advanced ranks there was red versus blue that rewarded 1800 point as a trio. salvage point was extremly easy... people like you wanted to find excuses to not do it lol.

Salvage was a terrible event first for the cell system, but second, and as an extension of that, basically penalized you for taking a larger group through cell rarity/bad luck. Nothing screams fun like an event that can leave people standing around naked/locked out of the majority of their gear with nothing to do for 20+ minutes along with the job discrimination such a system yielded. Add a dash of terrible drop rates and some rare spawn NMs and you basically get the cherry on a grind sundae with RvB runs for assault points as sprinkles.

Overall, I'm for more sources of Alexandrite (Or, hinthint, reducing that requirement to like 5-10k), but I just can't see the system getting the overhaul it needs to gain a mainstream appeal (nix the cell system, change NMs related to their conditions, unconditional daily entry, fix Rampart NMs, better drop rates). And I'm sure wiggling hard mobs within the current would throw off a lot of mechanics/tactics and piss some people off. If they decide to go the length of creating entirely new areas, then at that point, just let it be Dungeon Crawling or whatever fancy name they want to give it with Alexandrites being found there. Dynamis this is not.

The cell system is what made salvage interesting, not terrible.

Now that Camate is safely in an unspecified location and can't be taken hostage...

When the recently revealed roadmap didn’t mention the renewal of Salvage there was some concern on how to obtain alexandrite, so we'd like to provide details on what we're planning. Our plans to renew Salvage haven't changed, but they aren't set to take place until six months from now.

In regards to the availability of alexandrite, we do believe that alexandrite will be easier to obtain after our renewal of Salvage, but we also understand that something needs to be done regarding alexandrite before that happens. Thus we plan on adjusting the drop rates of alexandrite in Salvage and adding NMs that drop alexandrite in Nyzul Isle when we renew the "Nyzul Isle Investigation" content. We also don't have any plans on lowering the amount of alexandrite necessary to create mythic weapons.

We plan on moving forward with development as stated above, so please continue to provide us with your feedback.

Honestly, simply due to storage issues, it makes a lot more sense to reduce the quantity needed than to increase the supply. But whatever, We'll take what we can get, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Now that Camate is safely in an unspecified location and can't be taken hostage...

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You say that as if taking you hostage isn't a viable option >;3 *cocks gun*

Being serrious for a second, what about the changes to the way tags work? IIRC something was said about them recharging faster, or being able to hold more, or something along the lines of changing it so you could do assaults/nyzul more often. I'm too lazy to try to find the post on it, but I was wondering if something was still in the works.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Honestly, simply due to storage issues, it makes a lot more sense to reduce the quantity needed than to increase the supply. But whatever, We'll take what we can get, I guess.

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This could easily be solved by adding 100 pieces like with dynamis. 100 pieces that can stack to 100 vastly reduces the number of inv slots required.

However, they did mention upgrades to the porter moogle system, so possibly this will include the storage of alexandrite. (though not much help when you come to remove all 30000 pieces and need the free inv slots for them)

porter moogles store gear, not material items. An expansion very most likely simply means more gear that can be stored, e.g. a new slip for voidwatch gear.