We need more ways to make gold in this game.

[Merix]

The economy is supposed to be between players, not isolated gil minting daily machines. Theres enough gil income from the npcs to the players to cover repairs and necesities. Interact with people, this isnt a single player game!

If you must have a daily, go save the kingdom form the evil sheep and bring their fleece to me and be rewarded handsomely.

This would work if...

Repairs were free
Teleports were free
NPC items were free.
Quests didn't give money.
No money is destroyed or created in any way ever.

Since that's not true, the gold has to come from somewhere. And that somewhere has to be renewable, which quests are not.

[EmiliM]

Almost 50 pages later people are still arguing over the same thing?

The concern here is not about any individual player not being able to make enough money, but rather the economy as a whole losing more money than it generates as more people reach end game start to run out of ways to produce money from story quests and leves.

You might say "farm materials", but mats don't generate any new money unless they are sold to the NPC. I can sell you my farmed mats, but the money you're using to pay me comes from the money somebody else paid you for your goods. The source of the money, ultimately, must still come from the game itself, and at lv50, there isn't enough. Once you reach end game, everyone depletes (lost to the game) more money than they can generate into the game (NOT merely taking it from someone else), hence the OP's post.

It's still to early to panic, but the current trend does not bode well considering even more sinks (housing) will be coming in soon.

[Naelle]

I think a lot of people are confusing making gil and gil coming into the economy. Selling stuff of the markets makes you gil, yes. The guy that just purchased your goods though has to have gotten his gil from somewhere. I got about 200k from quests/fates/guildhests/etc on my way to 50, but I realized shortly after that was all finished with. Finite. OP is right; there is a very small amount of gil being fed into the economy compared to the larger amount being taken out (npc repairs, MW tax, etc).

[TrystWildkey]

I probably shouldn't be posting since I'm not going to add anything constructive to the thread.

However, I wanted to say that this is one of the only threads I've been eager to keep up with. I noticed this issue myself around the time this thread cropped up, so I've been following it. It also kinda ties in to my oft-repeated complaint that I can't repair anyone's gear but my own.

Also, I want to say that there are a large number of very intelligent and insightful posts that provide evidence that this is a real problem.

If you pay no attention to the obvious troll posts, this has been a very good discussion thread and I really hope that we get a dev response or at the very least acknowledgement that this is a valid issue.

If people are worried about additional gil causing inflation, I would propose that instead of increasing the amount of gil being brought into the economy, allow us to mine dark matter and allow player repairs. That should keep things on a more even keel.

[Whitemage82]

While I understand the danger gil sinks could put the economy in currently, you honestly believe Yoshi-P would allow that?

Take a step back and let's look at some facts.

1. The game can be changed.

2. Legacy servers have a large surplus of gil.

3. New servers will not have to worry about end game economy before patch 2.1 and 2.2 hit.

I am under the assumption that these huge hits to player wallets (in particular player housing) are designed to drain gil from legacy servers, until such a time as the devs think that all server economies are equal. Which is probably when we can expect Legacy character transfers.

In short I don't think you should worry unless you are scared for you own bank roll as a legacy player with too much money. They have a plan in place to maintain economic balance.

[Deusteele]

Several problems with your supposition Aixa.

1. Players cannot repair each others gear. You can only repair your own.
2. Level 5 Dark Matter is only available from vendors, there is no player generated way to gather this mandatory item.
3. The AH applies a 5% tax on all sales, there by removing gil from the economy.

[Aixa]

I did say there was enough incoming gil before suggesting dealing with other players. And yes its a game, but hey there are a lot of games that aren't how you like them but others like them. I do recall having to invest time in preparations for the harder stuff in the game in many other mmos.

How about just interacting with players for now in order to make your gil, and if the gil economy does somehow crash which I doubt we can make a thread then. I really don't want to see FFXIV turn into wow with dailies printing infinite money to cover buying stuff from the auction house.

I personally would be perfectly happy to have to prepare in order to do group content on my own by gathering resources and such and many other players would as well. That happened a lot anyway in other mmos but they had shiny blue or yellow question marks above their head while you did your farming, while now your just doing it for real people.

Also it only takes a LOT of time to cover your expenses if you focus only on introducing gil to the game. Just trade with players to cover your expenses for now im confident the economy wont deflate and crash. Farm monsters people want items for and youll cover the 4k+ in like 15 minutes.

[TrystWildkey]

I personally would be perfectly happy to have to prepare in order to do group content on my own by gathering resources and such and many other players would as well. That happened a lot anyway in other mmos but they had shiny blue or yellow question marks above their head while you did your farming, while now your just doing it for real people.

Again, I agree, to an extent. But, the way it is set up right now, you'd spend MUCH more time 'preparing' than actually playing the content you want to play. I don't think that's acceptable to anyone.

[Aixa]

I am perfectly aware you guys are refering to gil deflation when the incoming gil is lower than the outgoing gil into game systems. Ive tried to make that clear on my posts.

What im saying is I disagree theres a harsh and heavely marked deflation problem as you guys seem to insist on. And if theres not even if you personally dont create enough gil to cover the npc expenses as long as OTHER people do generate more gil than they take to cover their npc expenses the economy balances out as long as you interact with eachother.

The burden of generating gil isnt on you alone, theres a lot of other players doing it and many are gaining more than they lose so you dont have to.

[Promethevs]

another way to make gil - find a finished item to craft off of gatherable mats (ideally one that sells for a good chunk & uses few base materials), gather & vendor if need be.
just an example - I vendored probably 100 bas-relief cobalt saws leveling BSM, 10k gil total.

whether things like this are a sufficient supplement to leves/fates, or whether leves/fates are a sufficient standalone on their own, stands to be seen.