Regional Segregation

[Punainen]

You're not being forced to choose any one server. If you don't wanna be in an NA one then pick a different one.

[ShivenCasull]

I wonder if that will stop us from starting over on the new servers. Hm...

[Shougun]

I wonder if that will stop us from starting over on the new servers. Hm...

No you can make a - NEW- character on any server you want. So long as it is not a full server.

Just our old characters will be prevented from ruining a persons experience who doesn't want to deal with being last to the party or who doesnt want to deal with possible unfairness (easy garuda weapons, easy leveling, maybe easy gil, ect.)

[Nikkita]

Well... in all honesty I can see why people are getting confused. They definately have said some very specific things about Severs and worlds. However the one thing they have NOT said or even answered is about transfering your EXISTING character between CURRENT EXISTING servers.

So... this is what I gather....

Posted 9/14/2012
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...495#post826495

In this post I read this as Data Centers are what are in the regions, not the servers. Servers = Worlds. So Servers in Japan (makes sense that's how they maintain them they would have to hire a lot more staff to maintain servers in all regions as they are on call 24/7 incase of issues) But Data Centers are located in the specific regions.
A little of my own personal view. The data centers are just there to assisst in real time game play but anything that is static and stored or saved is server side in Japan. Take the people out of the equation and the "World' is sitting in Japan is how it was explained to me.

9/24/2012
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...1#post840511"]

All that is clear here is that EXISTING users can NOT go to NEW servers. Users does mean existing characters in this case there is another link that will explain that. Also that at some point there will be a world transfer system similar to FFXI

9/25/2012
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...1#post841286"]

IF you desperatedly want to be on a brand new server you CAN!! You get to make a new character and start over to do so. New users can chose from any server new or old so they can join your existing character as long as the server doesn't get full.

10/23/2012
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...1#post864022"]

This just reiterates that existing characters can't move to brand new servers. Also it sounds like Bayohne is getting a little put off with people's blatant speculations. I dont blame him!!

10/23/2012
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...1#post864034"]

So this is the real question everyone is tryng to get at. Can existing characters choose a different existing world. Well guess what... Shut it... (I kidd I kidd) They don't know yet XD they'll get back to us lol from other information in other links it sounds like they won't know till after beta starts. They're trying to assess the situation.
However this post http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...1#post840646"] dated 9/24/2012 also posted by Bayohne is slightly contradictory to that statement. BUT I'd go with the newest information available which is... they don't know yet...

My personal opinion. There is no reason to allow existing characters to move AT launch. Not only for the sake of horribly scewing server populations and loads but for the fact that I highly doubt even currently all servers see the exact same economic situation so allowing people to move could hinder or hurt them.
Also you may find once 2.0 starts up that the latency and lag is so low to non existant there is no need to move. Everything about ARR is suppose to make the game more effcient that said test the waters before jumping sihp

[Kiara]

My personal opinion. There is no reason to allow existing characters to move AT launch. Not only for the sake of horribly scewing server populations and loads but for the fact that I highly doubt even currently all servers see the exact same economic situation so allowing people to move could hinder or hurt them.
Also you may find once 2.0 starts up that the latency and lag is so low to non existant there is no need to move. Everything about ARR is suppose to make the game more effcient that said test the waters before jumping sihp

Hi Nikkita,

Well said.

I agree: I think the best thing for Square to do is allow everyone to log back in to their existing World Servers once 2.0 Starts, try out 2.0, with its brand-new netcode, new server structures, etc., and let everyone try for themselves how good or bad the New 2.0 Gameplay is on their existing Worlds.

Hopefully we *do* see some good improvements and it might be good enough for some to want to stick together instead of separating.

And for those that want to move, that's great for them.

[Zdenka]

I think its confusing because they labeled the fresh servers as new servers and it wasn't the best word to use.

SE has implied many, many, many times that the servers for 2.0 are going to be new servers.

Remember all the times you saw:

With current server its not possible.
This will be possible in 2.0 with new server and planning to do.
This may be hard to implement with current server.

The reason for this is that SE probably used the old decommissioned FFXI servers for FFXIV, which are reeeeeally old now. Remember a game world is just a cluster of data, its not an actual server. (Its just housed on one via the host client) Therefor that data can be moved relatively easily. Remember SERVER is not mutually inclusive with WORLD. Lets say Server1 is housing Durandal and Server6 is housing Sargantanas; its possible for them to move Durandal to Server6 and Sargantanas to Server1 by using an intermediary. Just because the Worlds are on certain servers now doesn't mean they can't move off.

At my work we have changed servers multiple times. What happens is the data is mirrored onto the new server, but due to a better server software and obviously better hardware it runs much much quicker. Also many of its basic functions increase in output (this is probably why the "will be possible in 2.0 with new servers" appeared a lot).

For example our old server had a SQL table limitation of 80 items. When we swapped to new hardware+software the SQL table limitation increased to around 240 (not sure exactly because we haven't made anything with that many items so far).

So by basic logic one assumes ARR cannot run on the servers which are currently in use because of the limitations, so therefor all servers for 2.0 will be either brand new servers or the current servers with updated software but I would assume (omg I know you guys hate assuming tho the ones that hate it do the most) that all servers will be new for 2.0.

[Nikkita]

So by basic logic one assumes ARR cannot run on the servers which are currently in use because of the limitations, so therefor all servers for 2.0 will be either brand new servers or the current servers with updated software but I would assume (omg I know you guys hate assuming tho the ones that hate it do the most) that all servers will be new for 2.0.

I didn't want to quote all what you said cuz it was long but I can agree there is some confusion because of terms that get used interchangably. World most of the time equates to server because each World usualy has it's own server to operate on. That said I am under the impression they are swapping out to all NEW server hardware for ALL Worlds existing and newly created. Our current worlds aren't going away just being placed on new hardware.

[Madruk]

You will not be able to change or choose Server after launch of ARR. Have been said a lot of Times allready, that you will stay on the Server you are on now if you are currently playing 1.0. World Transfer will come a while after Release, but i doubt that you will see 1000's of people switching Servers, after they experienced 2.0 and actually prolly less latency than there is right now.

Let's create regional servers but not allow anyone to transfer to them.

Sound logic.

[Reika]

Hi Nikkita,

Well said.

I agree: I think the best thing for Square to do is allow everyone to log back in to their existing World Servers once 2.0 Starts, try out 2.0, with its brand-new netcode, new server structures, etc., and let everyone try for themselves how good or bad the New 2.0 Gameplay is on their existing Worlds.

Hopefully we *do* see some good improvements and it might be good enough for some to want to stick together instead of separating.

And for those that want to move, that's great for them.

Some(many) people dont and wont even care how good the new servers are, they just want to move regional as soon as possible.....

[Caine260]

Assuming is bad and isn't a valid source of information. Did anyone say they AREN'T moving?

If you use a little bit of deductive reasoning, how much sense does it make for current players to only transfer between servers already in Japan when regional servers are going to be available at the launch of ARR?

I dont know much about what is going on, but I did notice that your first statement is an argument from ignorance. Also, while you pointed out that "assuming" is not a viable source of information; your second statement is an assumption based on logic, but still just an assumption. So in other words, you are speculating just as much as the person you are criticizing. If you you have any evidence to support your claims, then pls post it. Till then, this is all just an assumption.