ARR Gil Cap Reduction

[NoctisUmbra]

Funny how I made that very same equation and Gath joke.

Well looks like all is resolved. I'll go back pages and call out the people who were so adamantly wrong later when I'm actually on a PC. One guy even asked if I'd be willing to shove my foot in my mouth and post pics.

[Aenarion]

Well looks like all is resolved. I'll go back pages and call out the people who were so adamantly wrong later when I'm actually on a PC. One guy even asked if I'd be willing to shove my foot in my mouth and post pics.

You were the one who was adamant about it, I never said they weren't going to do it, all I said was that they'd be stupid to, and that hasn't changed.

What exactly does this accomplish? making things easier to read for the mathematically challenged or visually impaired? As far as I can see, SE is literally incurring a negative PR reaction for no tangible benefit.

[NoctisUmbra]

You were the one who was adamant about it, I never said they weren't going to do it, all I said was that they'd be stupid to, and that hasn't changed.

lol fair enough.

Though I still disagree. They're quite smart for doing this. What they'd be stupid to do is not put up Topics posts and further explain the transition, ensuring it takes place as smoothly as possible with the wide majority understanding it.

What exactly does this accomplish? making things easier to read for the mathematically challenged or visually impaired? As far as I can see, SE is literally incurring a negative PR reaction for no tangible benefit.

Reducing needlessly inflated values. One benefit was already pointed out. People undercutting for 1 gil have no trouble doing so cuz 1 gil isn't worth crap.

Also, since yu're so keen on perception, they're making it so not nly each gil is worth something, but actually reaching a million means something.

Again, the PR reaction depends more on how they handle the transition rather than the transition itself.

[Aenarion]

Reducing needlessly inflated values. One benefit was already pointed out. People undercutting for 1 gil have no trouble doing so cuz 1 gil isn't worth crap.

Also, since yu're so keen on perception, they're making it so not nly each gil is worth something, but actually reaching a million means something.

Again, the PR reaction depends more on how they handle the transition rather than the transition itself.

But conversely, if the benefit is purely one of perception also, then there isn't much of a benefit is there? There's no "set" value on how much a unit of currency should be worth in an MMO. Inflation in an MMO has to be measured against itself, specifically the money faucets and sinks, and how they're affecting the long term trend on item values, not some arbitrary nominal value assigned to the currency.

And for those that honestly think this will do anything against undercutting, they're sadly mistaken. Raising the value of gil will only decrease the amount of gil being undercut each time, in this case from 1 gil to 10gil, and I doubt anyone is going to be deterred from undercutting because the minimum cost has been increased to a whopping 9 gil. Undercutting, as annoying as it may be, is nevertheless essential and inevitable in a competitive market, the correct way to go about it is to design a good market interface to lessen the annoyance factor.

My point remains, in this case SE is changing stuff for the sake of changing stuff without bringing any meaningful benefits.

[Shougun]

You were the one who was adamant about it, I never said they weren't going to do it, all I said was that they'd be stupid to, and that hasn't changed.

.. redenomination changes nothing, only player perspective. Specially in this game system where you can do it all at the same time perfectly. He is 100% correct on that. Because players are humans it will take a bit before everything mellows out to realistic prices though (the new price in respect to the redenomination).

[Efrye]

I hope they'll also reduce the guildleve gil rewards by 90%, otherwise our gil will drop in value pretty fast.

[NoctisUmbra]

I hope they'll also reduce the guildleve gil rewards by 90%, otherwise our gil will drop in value pretty fast.

I'm pretty sure it's one of the bullet points in his post.

Waiting for that translation...

[Zezlar]

I hope they'll also reduce the guildleve gil rewards by 90%, otherwise our gil will drop in value pretty fast.

Everything related to Gil will be readjusted. That includes Guild leves, treasure chests, monster drops, vendor prices relating to buying/selling, quest rewards and more. It's not simply just a reduction of player currency.

[KiraHime]

I read it that are basically reducing everyone's money to fit the new economy.

If you take your current gil count, and knock the last digit off, that's how much you'll have in ARR

This isn't bad for anyone, regardless of how much money they have, because it happens to everyone simultaneously.

If you had 10x more cash than another player before, you will still have it after. A world wide economy change like this isn't necessarily needed, but it does make the numbers smaller and easier for everyone to deal with.

Its the difference between counting everything in pennies or pounds. except because Gil has no smaller derivative they are manually adjusting it, something easily done with a virtual currency.

Quote from Junpei in another thread on the 14th. This is the post that meatdawg vit quoted when he made his!

A small minority of intelligent players got this right straight off the bat and were called idiots for it.

Some of the responses to junpei in that thread were amazing too

In all honesty, I never knew I would ever meet people with this amount of stupidity in the world, guess MMOs have proved me wrong..

and you would be incorrect, because that is what they are doing, lowering the max, not changing how much gil everyone has.