Fem Hrothgar rigging issues cause massive clipping with (Virtu) Ravager's Cuirass

[Minali]

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Date & Time: since Hrothgal release (probably in the benchmark, considering how some of the gear presets looked like on the shoulders and arms)
Frequency: permanent
World name: Twintania
Character name: Zorina Nidasch
Retainer name: -
NPC name: -
Monster name: -
Class/Level: Warrior / 72
Party or solo: solo
In-game time: issue is unrelated to any specific time
Area and coordinates: issue is unrelated to any specific area
Housing: -

Steps:
1. Have a Hrothgal with Warrior of the appropriate level for the gear
2. Equip Ravager's armor or Virtu Ravager's armor, especially the cuirass
3. Activate emotes where the arm with the shoulder metal plate is being raised at the side or to the front, various weapon skills would also suffice, like the finisher of the 1-2-3 base warrior combo.

I don't know if it's a bug or a really bad call in 3D design, but currently the rigging for Hrothgals in the shoulders and the arms make armor way more massive than it would make sense for the actual body parts. Arm rings are so wide they float or would fall off, even with the Hrothgal specific arm piece. (There is another bug report from someone else about this already but sadly filed under "insufficient information".)

The (Virtu) Ravager's cuirass specifically makes the metal plate on the shoulder massively clip through the head. On some battle poses it's so bad it even ends up on the other side of the head. It also floats over the shoulder. And the bulky arm parts don't help with this.

Now, I know this peace of gear is bulky to begin with, but I have worn it already previous to my transformation into a Hrothgal with a Lalafell and it's not nearly as much out out of place there. My male Viera is also not having as much trouble. Here are some screenshots for comparison:





Meanwhile on my Lalafell:


The shoulder metal part is a bit more floaty on my male Viera, which is also fairly odd, but the clipping isn't nearly as bad.




So it's really not the armor itself that's the issue but how it is assigned to female Hrothgars in particular. The rigging seems to think their shoulders are twice as big and bulky as they actually are, so the armor is assigned accordingly and leads to massive clipping with the 3D model in the upper region. This is also not a single incident or related to this specific Hrothgar built. There are plenty examples of other pieces of gear on other Hrothgals who have similar issues as soon as a gear piece with covered shoulders are involved. Please have a look at this as well, even should it not be categorized as bug per se, it is a grave error and I heard plenty of people say it's a main dealbreaker for them and keeps them from playing Hrothgals alltogether, even when they like their general design or muscular big women. It breaks too many glams.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...gging-problems

We are already not able to wear hats and are limited to 5 hairstyles per face and are going to have the same issues as male Hrothgar all over again in the next years. Limiting us even more by making every piece of gear with covered shoulders break our characters with massive clipping inside and outside of battle and simply looking inaccurate in comparison to their actual anatomy, is unacceptable. Hrothgar players might be a minority, but it's stuff like this that keeps them that way, and in the end they are still the very main character of this game, as any other Warriors of Light.

Please, even should it turn out to be not a bug but intentional design, forward this to the animation team and have them fix this into a kind of rigging that causes not more clipping as for other races and suits their actual anatomy of the underlying 3D model better.


Connection Specs
- Type of internet connection/provider: DSL / Telefonica
- Modem maker/model number: FritzBox, I don't remember the number but it's a very new model and got exchanged recently

[Minali]

Another user compared how the absurdly large arm ring from the basic Hrothgal gear looks with how it looked in the job trailer. In the trailer it looked perfectly fine. So whatever you did in the rigging for the job trailer was working well. Whatever changes you made between the trailer and the current version was ruining it.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6551754

Please fix this!

[angienessyo]

There's uh...definitely something going on with the shoulders and arms on some sets. The diabolic mail of fending has some extremely strange issues on female hrothgar. Even on male characters that shoulder isn't that big.



It's so large the shoulder clips through her upper torso.

[Minali]

There's uh...definitely something going on with the shoulders and arms on some sets. The diabolic mail of fending has some extremely strange issues on female hrothgar. Even on male characters that shoulder isn't that big.



It's so large the shoulder clips through her upper torso.

"death by shoulder plate"

[IzVale]

Hey, there was a thread about the rigging issue in the general. It seems like they literally just have upscaled gear from the males..
Someone posted shop gear, where you could see the hunchback from the males on the female..

[SWATomega]

I can confirm this is on many body gear pieces, long arm pieces, and even head gear with weird or poorly done rigging. The models seem to be stretched or scaled wrong.

[Minali]

Hey, there was a thread about the rigging issue in the general.

It is, I linked it in my initial post.