#FFXIVTANKPARTY

[iAxX23]

As has been discussed in this thread:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ithout-healers.

We're getting even more self-healing on abilities like Rampart, Vengeance and Sentinel so it'll be a breeze to 1tank/3dps dungeons even on PLD/DRK/GNB.

I would like to make this the official PARTY THREAD sub 10m dungeons here we come.

[Equitable_Remedy]

You might be on to something... Second Wind is getting that upgrade in DT...

Party time?

[Katish]

Joining in on this, I know you meant for this as an attack on the healer role...but this is indirectly supporting the movement xD.
But, if the issue is glaring enough, hopefully they fix the healer role and tank/dd role gets a nerf in sustain. Until then healerless party only, let's go.

[iAxX23]

Joining in on this, I know you meant for this as an attack on the healer role...but this is indirectly supporting the movement xD.
But, if the issue is glaring enough, hopefully they fix the healer role and tank/dd role gets a nerf in sustain. Until then healerless party only, let's go.

It's a 2 for 1.
Self described healer mains are truly horrendous to play with. Endwalker should've been the wake-up call for any 'healer mains'.
And in a way yes, I am supporting the game creating more engaging, difficult content that would require the presence of a healer. I don't think taking away DPS/TANK toolkits are the way to do it, that's a band-aid fix for an existential problem.

[4clubbedace]

It's a 2 for 1.
Self described healer mains are truly horrendous to play with. Endwalker should've been the wake-up call for any 'healer mains'.
And in a way yes, I am supporting the game creating more engaging, difficult content that would require the presence of a healer. I don't think taking away DPS/TANK toolkits are the way to do it, that's a band-aid fix for an existential problem.

remember when p8s was a a rather pain in the ass to heal and so many healers got mad? unless actual challanging content for healers to go heal through isnt what they want lmao

[iAxX23]

remember when p8s was a a rather pain in the ass to heal and so many healers got mad? unless actual challanging content for healers to go heal through isnt what they want lmao

skill issue.

[Galvuu]

remember when p8s was a a rather pain in the ass to heal and so many healers got mad? unless actual challanging content for healers to go heal through isnt what they want lmao

There's some truth to what you're saying here- some healers definitely complained about the large amount of bleeding effects in Abyssos in general (I actually healed for some time in Abyssos and thought it was a very clever way to leverage some of the healer tools this game made available- in fact, I wish bleeding TBs and raidwides became a permanent stay).
But for P8S specifically, the problem was much more multi-faceted than just "healers don't wanna heal" and "healers bad lol". That sometimes was part of the problem (I'm pretty sure anyone who progged that fight in the pf in the early weeks died a few times to the bleed because many healers were afk Broil/Glare spamming while the party bled out), but in the early weeks those bleeds were brutal and required the whole party to come together to mitigate the aoes properly. I was very unlucky with my loot drops week 1 and started progging P8S Saturday at ilv 613 and Hephaistos's chimera-form jump-spam earth aoe frequently killed me due to missing Reprisals/Feints. Mitigating that fight at the start (and even at the end, to be honest) was a party endeavor, and it was often frustrating for healers to be doing all they could but still die/fail because the rest of the party wasn't in the habit of pressing their mitigation.
P8S was a perfect storm of both problems converging- healers who greeded/didn't want to heal (or weren't used to that healing output) and the party not being willing (or capable) of pressing their mits/coordinating a mit plan.

[Supersnow845]

It's a 2 for 1.
Self described healer mains are truly horrendous to play with. Endwalker should've been the wake-up call for any 'healer mains'.
And in a way yes, I am supporting the game creating more engaging, difficult content that would require the presence of a healer. I don't think taking away DPS/TANK toolkits are the way to do it, that's a band-aid fix for an existential problem.

This logic makes no sense to me. We had interesting tank healer interplay when the tank kits weren’t so overpowered and the tanks asked for their kits to be buffed so they could functionally ignore the healer

Now you want them to make engaging mechanics that challenge that higher healing so you can what………go back to asking for tank healing to be buffed so you can go back to ignoring the healers

I’m not sure if this circular logic you are on, either you want your tools to be overpowered or you don’t, there is no third option

[Jeeqbit]

I've been thinking about just making parties that only have a tank OR healer OR red mage since we only really need 1 of these.

But I just never care enough to bother since making parties in PF is slower than just entering the (instant) queue.

[Oizen]

A year ago I said I kinda wish DRK had heart of corundum as a joke during a raid session, Yoship heard me.