The problem with Tripling Down on Shadowbringers Job Design

[HyperiusUltima]

Rebooting this for a hot minute since we're essentially 26 days from Early Access, and a Month from Full Release.

Since we have the site up now, I'm more hyped for the story along with just The Arcadion. Given that we don't have a huge world threat to deal with in the Arcadion, I'm more curious than ever how they're going to spice up the raiding formula, especially since they had ran into the WAR problem since the beginning of time(2:30 or 3:00 on Holmgang). So, here's hoping they shake it up to where we're not all doing jump ropes because BOY HOWDY we did a lot of that this set of raids in Endwalker.

[Supersnow845]

Rebooting this for a hot minute since we're essentially 26 days from Early Access, and a Month from Full Release.

Since we have the site up now, I'm more hyped for the story along with just The Arcadion. Given that we don't have a huge world threat to deal with in the Arcadion, I'm more curious than ever how they're going to spice up the raiding formula, especially since they had ran into the WAR problem since the beginning of time(2:30 or 3:00 on Holmgang). So, here's hoping they shake it up to where we're not all doing jump ropes because BOY HOWDY we did a lot of that this set of raids in Endwalker.

Nerfing WAR would be a start

Given it’s broken in nearly every facet of its gameplay to a hilarious degree

[HyperiusUltima]

Nerfing WAR would be a start

Given it’s broken in nearly every facet of its gameplay to a hilarious degree

Pretty sure I went into detail about that and sparked a big discussion with WAR Here for a good minute before that train stopped.

[Supersnow845]

Pretty sure I went into detail about that and sparked a big discussion with WAR Here for a good minute before that train stopped.

Oh I know, just pledging my continued support of nerfing the blight on balance design that is WAR

[ty_taurus]

It’s so funny to me how when Heavensward or Stormblood are brought up by someone missing how jobs felt more fun to play back then, that someone inevitably starts complaining about the job balance back then (which is, you know not the point) because Endwalker balance is so perfect and flawless of course, with WAR being the perfect trifecta of most brain dead, strongest damage, and strongest sustain for some reason. Not to mention RDM’s damage is painfully low, DNC was very undertuned in tier 1, MCH was very undertuned for tier 1 and 2, PLD’s emergency warriorification was so important, it couldn’t wait for 7.0 apparently… Jobs are as homogenized, simplified, and neutered as ever and yet balance is still a problem.

So what’s the point of job lobotomization if it still fails to achieve perfect balance?

[Supersnow845]

It’s so funny to me how when Heavensward or Stormblood are brought up by someone missing how jobs felt more fun to play back then, that someone inevitably starts complaining about the job balance back then (which is, you know not the point) because Endwalker balance is so perfect and flawless of course, with WAR being the perfect trifecta of most brain dead, strongest damage, and strongest sustain for some reason. Not to mention RDM’s damage is painfully low, DNC was very undertuned in tier 1, MCH was very undertuned for tier 1 and 2, PLD’s emergency warriorification was so important, it couldn’t wait for 7.0 apparently… Jobs are as homogenized, simplified, and neutered as ever and yet balance is still a problem.

So what’s the point of job lobotomization if it still fails to achieve perfect balance?

How many buffs did SGE get to compete with SCH who got nerfed despite the fact that even now in a raid setting SCH’s kit is still so infinitely better it’s almost hilarious

Who allowed a universally useful utility, the most mitigation of any one class and shields big enough to delete mechanics the class can generate entirely off its own toolkit to all exist on a single class

[VentVanitas]

SE's insistence on WAR supremacy just means that sacrificing so many gameplay elements for the sake of balance is a foolish endeavour. if there's gonna be stupid wackiness like WAR solo-ing anything under Extreme/Savage anyway, then why are we bothering with such uptight balance?

I better see Bloodwhetting omega nerfed by the time media tour tooltips get released.

[rawker]

Not gonna happen. Some youtuber will make an uproar

[ty_taurus]

Bloodwhetting is removed, but becomes a trait that’s always active.

[Kaixern]

Enhanced Tomahawk :
Gets a free Bloodwhetting per use
(Not a reducted cooldown, this way there is less homogenization among classes, you players are going to be really happy with this right?.....)