Let's talk about the upcoming DRG rework...

[Rxvenluvsducks]

The difference is I am saying relevant things and that guy was just explaining how he personally found new dragoon to be easy. Objectively speaking, new dragoon is much more demanding than endwalker dragoon even at level 92. Even at level 90.

People don't have to "put up" with me, and my post was not about having to "put up" with that other guy. I was making a statement on how they posted irrelevant conjecture.



They removed spineshatter because the animation was godawful and it was supposed to be our mobility utility yet was always used as part of our burst window. On top of it having more animation lock than the new mobility ability we got in dawntrail. On top of this, removing spineshatter and replacing it with a true mobility skill has absolutely nothing to do with the complexity or simplicity of the job. It's just utility that we were supposed to have access to this entire time.

Perhaps you need to use more rational thought processes instead of jumping at the opportunity to remark on someone else's skill level like a dog.

I don't jump like a dog, i jump like a proper dragoon hunny. Aside from that, the job just feels smooth in a clunky manner if you get where I'm going. (Which I doubt, as your reply is always "maybe you're bad at fantasy" which can be like a hundred reasons why you could but doesn't seem like you have any braincells left to elaborate) Removing skills that had nothing to do with the problem and mostly depended on the individuals skill is pretty much what mine and Nox's argument is. Considering that Viper is getting changed too within 10 days of release feels like they're just dumbing down harder jobs to make them easier, and drg is a target

[HikariKurosawa]

I don't jump like a dog, i jump like a proper dragoon hunny. Aside from that, the job just feels smooth in a clunky manner if you get where I'm going. (Which I doubt, as your reply is always "maybe you're bad at fantasy" which can be like a hundred reasons why you could but doesn't seem like you have any braincells left to elaborate) Removing skills that had nothing to do with the problem and mostly depended on the individuals skill is pretty much what mine and Nox's argument is. Considering that Viper is getting changed too within 10 days of release feels like they're just dumbing down harder jobs to make them easier, and drg is a target

So you think it made dragoon hard to know the sequencing of high jump mirage dive and geirskogul? That's the only thing that made dragoon "harder" pre-dawntrail. If you did those 3 abilities in the wrong sequence you would get major drift that would add up to a huge potency loss over the fight. Now the opener is much more complex, and the burst windows are much more complex as well. Why do you people insist on lying to make yourselves look elite? Dragoon is harder now, you wanted it easier and based on knowing correct sequencing that wasn't intuitive. Just admit that you want the job to be contrived so your parses look better. You definitely don't want the job to be more complex or difficult, or else you would be celebrating the dawntrail changes.

If you can't appreciate the fantasy of the new mobility combo feeling like a soaring dragon doing a loop then that's an issue with player imagination. That's what I mean when I say "bad at fantasy". It's not difficult or complex for me to elaborate on that one.

[Noox-115]

The difference is I am saying relevant things and that guy was just explaining how he personally found new dragoon to be easy. Objectively speaking, new dragoon is much more demanding than endwalker dragoon even at level 92. Even at level 90.

People don't have to "put up" with me, and my post was not about having to "put up" with that other guy. I was making a statement on how they posted irrelevant conjecture.



They removed spineshatter because the animation was godawful and it was supposed to be our mobility utility yet was always used as part of our burst window. On top of it having more animation lock than the new mobility ability we got in dawntrail. On top of this, removing spineshatter and replacing it with a true mobility skill has absolutely nothing to do with the complexity or simplicity of the job. It's just utility that we were supposed to have access to this entire time.

Perhaps you need to use more rational thought processes instead of jumping at the opportunity to remark on someone else's skill level like a dog.

Sorry if you feel offended but the truth is there that rework is a bad rework : It didn't fix DRG overall aoe for lower content and dont tell me they couldn't job might not be design for dungeons but aoes aren't for Raids the overall skill unlock of DRG is a mess too you get everything core to your burst at lv70. As for how hard you may think in your logic the fact is that DRG now you cant mess up its straight foward no mather what action you do you know your burst is ready in 1min and it will always be even if you die because you have no ressources so no DRG isn't harder its just busy. God if you find DRG hard rn I hope you never played Shadowbringer DRG when they could loose their eyes if blood goes down THAT was cool THAT was hard it pushes you to be agressive even. Even in EW miss one opportunity to use mirage dive to give you an eye and your whole DPS is fucked DRG isn't in anyway objectively harder than it was for someone calling out conjectures you surely love to make some yourselves

At the very least , if the problem was that DRG didn't have his eyes for an opener they could just have done like RDM and give them manafication but instead in give your eyes on every 2 min and when its ready again and by the time you already have your eyes well you can double it down and do two burst back to back

[Rxvenluvsducks]

So you think it made dragoon hard to know the sequencing of high jump mirage dive and geirskogul? That's the only thing that made dragoon "harder" pre-dawntrail. If you did those 3 abilities in the wrong sequence you would get major drift that would add up to a huge potency loss over the fight. Now the opener is much more complex, and the burst windows are much more complex as well. Why do you people insist on lying to make yourselves look elite? Dragoon is harder now, you wanted it easier and based on knowing correct sequencing that wasn't intuitive. Just admit that you want the job to be contrived so your parses look better. You definitely don't want the job to be more complex or difficult, or else you would be celebrating the dawntrail changes.

If you can't appreciate the fantasy of the new mobility combo feeling like a soaring dragon doing a loop then that's an issue with player imagination. That's what I mean when I say "bad at fantasy". It's not difficult or complex for me to elaborate on that one.

I'd celebrate Dawntrail changes if the job wasn't so awful for low level content, whether it's dungeons, or extremes. By the way, I do not give a crap about parsing our not. I don't even think I know how Statics works so don't even bring that topic up. Yes I'm a filthy Midcore player but that doesn't make my point invalid especially because of how bad the job is that's why I don't feel like even levelling it. I'm the first person to catch bs and you're spreading a lot of it by convincing yourself that Dragoon is hard. Grow up, drink some milk, try to play another job if you find dragoon difficult right now because honestly it's the easiest mess of a job. I wanted Drg to be hard even when I played during endwalker because the gauge was bs and now the gauge is even worse. Finding it difficult? Play warrior and gtfo.

[Noox-115]

I'd celebrate Dawntrail changes if the job wasn't so awful for low level content, whether it's dungeons, or extremes. By the way, I do not give a crap about parsing our not. I don't even think I know how Statics works so don't even bring that topic up. Yes I'm a filthy Midcore player but that doesn't make my point invalid especially because of how bad the job is that's why I don't feel like even levelling it. I'm the first person to catch bs and you're spreading a lot of it by convincing yourself that Dragoon is hard. Grow up, drink some milk, try to play another job if you find dragoon difficult right now because honestly it's the easiest mess of a job. I wanted Drg to be hard even when I played during endwalker because the gauge was bs and now the gauge is even worse. Finding it difficult? Play warrior and gtfo.

Or summoner since they barely have a gauge or rotation to worry about plus they hit slower might be easier for them

[HikariKurosawa]

I'd celebrate Dawntrail changes if the job wasn't so awful for low level content, whether it's dungeons, or extremes. By the way, I do not give a crap about parsing our not. I don't even think I know how Statics works so don't even bring that topic up. Yes I'm a filthy Midcore player but that doesn't make my point invalid especially because of how bad the job is that's why I don't feel like even levelling it. I'm the first person to catch bs and you're spreading a lot of it by convincing yourself that Dragoon is hard. Grow up, drink some milk, try to play another job if you find dragoon difficult right now because honestly it's the easiest mess of a job. I wanted Drg to be hard even when I played during endwalker because the gauge was bs and now the gauge is even worse. Finding it difficult? Play warrior and gtfo.

When did I complain about dawntrail dragoon being more difficult than the previous iterations? I am a from software gamer primarily, difficulty is not a complaint for me. I am just stating the fact that dawntrail dragoon is more difficult inputs than previous iterations, this is objectively true. Most posters here are saying it has been simplified for casuals, meanwhile it's the hardest iteration of the job. It's not contrived anymore, there's no unintuitive nonsense in the sequencing, it's just more difficult where it counts. Parsers are complaining because they don't get free score compared to their peers who didn't educate themselves on the contrived parts of the rotation.

[Aaramis]

I'd celebrate Dawntrail changes if the job wasn't so awful for low level content, whether it's dungeons, or extremes. By the way, I do not give a crap about parsing our not. I don't even think I know how Statics works so don't even bring that topic up. Yes I'm a filthy Midcore player but that doesn't make my point invalid especially because of how bad the job is that's why I don't feel like even levelling it. I'm the first person to catch bs and you're spreading a lot of it by convincing yourself that Dragoon is hard. Grow up, drink some milk, try to play another job if you find dragoon difficult right now because honestly it's the easiest mess of a job. I wanted Drg to be hard even when I played during endwalker because the gauge was bs and now the gauge is even worse. Finding it difficult? Play warrior and gtfo.

Yeah, I kinda agree on the low level content.
Got a levelling dungeon that was, 37 I think? I didn't have a single AoE. Not one. That's just madness.

Even the level 50 MSQ main scenerio quests, you're just spamming Doom Spike over and over. Not fun.

[Rxvenluvsducks]

When did I complain about dawntrail dragoon being more difficult than the previous iterations? I am a from software gamer primarily, difficulty is not a complaint for me. I am just stating the fact that dawntrail dragoon is more difficult inputs than previous iterations, this is objectively true. Most posters here are saying it has been simplified for casuals, meanwhile it's the hardest iteration of the job. It's not contrived anymore, there's no unintuitive nonsense in the sequencing, it's just more difficult where it counts. Parsers are complaining because they don't get free score compared to their peers who didn't educate themselves on the contrived parts of the rotation.

Are you high or does Yoshi P need to bring back Heavensward level combat system back for you to wake up to your senses.

[Noox-115]

Yeah, I kinda agree on the low level content.
Got a levelling dungeon that was, 37 I think? I didn't have a single AoE. Not one. That's just madness.

Even the level 50 MSQ main scenerio quests, you're just spamming Doom Spike over and over. Not fun.

I made a post myself about this issue and how they could help just by tweaking some Traits sadly due to all the hate from people over DT msq it got shadowed but like instead for example of having Geirskogul at 60 to have it in lv50 and at level 60 you get 2 nastrond like it was before in EW at lv70 just to help a bit DRG really fall off the mark in lower content and it really shouldn't for a starter job. I will be honest Spine shatterremoval would not bother me that much if DRG had more stuff at this level but there is not and even do they buff Dragonfire dive to 500 potency they gave it a 50% aoe fall off which mean thats its even worse for aoes from flat 300 to a 50% 500 potency fall of meaning now its 50%. And the problem rn is sure its fun DRG is busy but all of it arrive way too late way. True Story okay: Back when I joined 3 years ago I wanted to do UWU to get Gae Bolg ultima cuz you know it look sick. DRG was my main and when I tried to find a group they asked me to pick something else because DRG damage back then was fucking horrible with only 2 nastrond at lv 70 and no finisher so I couldn't

Here is the link to the post I made to spread DRG skill unlock a bit to keep it interesting when going back or leveling this job: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...G-skill-unlock

[HikariKurosawa]

Are you high or does Yoshi P need to bring back Heavensward level combat system back for you to wake up to your senses.

It was hard for you back then because you were a noob. You act like it is lost history that can't be referenced. We have the internet lol, anyone can look up how the job was back then.