4 Paired Threads: SCH - How do you feel about it?

[Renathras]

Do you ____ it?
(love, like, neutral, dislike, hate)

What do you like about it?

What do you dislike about it?

What would you like changed about it?

EDIT:

WHM thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-feel-about-it

AST thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-feel-about-it

SGE thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-feel-about-it

[Sebazy]

It's an absolute hollow corpse of it's former self. It doesn't flow, it's had elements of it's job ripped out to provide 'filling' for another much akin to WHM back in the day and it still has multiple facets of it's kit that just won't play nice with each other. It's a complete mess.

Numerically it's great and it has some powerful abilities for sure, but man, what have they done to my boy.

[Calysto]

That would be "Pity" for me.

It used to be my main. 5.x was horrid and 6 was going to be the same.
They still managed to kill a fairy and get the other to wear it's skin.

[fulminating]

I still find scholar the most comfortable even in this reduced state.

Big numbers and being able to force big numbers (recitation, formerly raw intuition) feels good. I don’t necessarily like that galvanise and catalyse are separate, nor that the faerie has been reduced and reduced, but I can understand why the former has been done. Seraph still feels like it was scraping the barrel, and that no lessons were learnt from the issues with summoner and bahamut. I quite like the current excog, it also feels pretty strategic and like it rewards fight/tank awareness. Quickened aetherflow feels very absent and the fey gauge weirdly irrelevant.

Overall I’d be entirely comfortable calling it the easiest healer to get into, certainly at lower levels with the embrace safety net and probably even at higher ones. I’m unsure if this is a condemnation of encounter design or how well white mage fits into it. The reworked dungeons haven’t helped much on this favourable comparison. Maybe if white mage had a trait for instant cures based on dot ticks it would be something easier to recommend for newer players, but it’s a lot more common to see newer cnj/whm losing control. Maybe ast would be a good recommend at lower levels too, the essential dignity ogcd is good to have available - obviously the hw requirement counts against it though.

Here is the obligatory paragraph about the monotonous rotation made worse by ruin2’s devaluation with endwalker granting everyone ast cast times. Aetherflow is probably the most interesting healer resource tool because it interacts with the damage kit albeit in an increasingly minor way.

I think, as with all healers, its healing kit could do with having a serious examine and think about exactly what is just the same button by another name. At the same time I also want Selene back so it’s not terribly consistent of me there.

[IceBlueNinja]

Ugly spells, Jank job, boring story, the worst imo out of the 4 healers, as go as far as to say ill play whm over it anyday, Overrated as heck like final fantasy 7, any healer can perform fine just like and its only a tiny bit stronger on things than the other 3 healers but really not that big imo. Oh and just like how sge was qoute copied from it, it was a copy job from arcanist/smn until sbh where it lost its summon type dps kit. Though I can say the book is fitting for it instead of smn, smn should have had whips or rods instead like rydia of ff4.

[Supersnow845]

Ugly spells, Jank job, boring story, the worst imo out of the 4 healers, as go as far as to say ill play whm over it anyday, Overrated as heck like final fantasy 7, any healer can perform fine just like and its only a tiny bit stronger on things than the other 3 healers but really not that big imo. Oh and just like how sge was qoute copied from it, it was a copy job from arcanist/smn until sbh where it lost its summon type dps kit. Though I can say the book is fitting for it instead of smn, smn should have had whips or rods instead like rydia of ff4.

Show us on the doll where the SCH main hurt you

[IceBlueNinja]

Show us on the doll where the SCH main hurt you

Show us on the doll where the SGE main hurt you

[AmiableApkallu]

Like:

Breadth of the kit. Pure/barrier split be damned, I feel like this job has an answer for it all.

Dislike:

The fairy is an oGCD, but over there :: points ::.

What I'd change:

I'd suggest drawing upon Chrono Trigger's Tech system.

[ASkellington]

Its the pet healer with no pet management. Yay.

I have more to dislike about SCH than like at this point.

Selene is gone instead of giving it a new kit. Like AST you could have made changing fairies into a mechanic. You removed her instead.

Still no carbies that Alphinaud used. At least we can glam into them though. Finally.

You... got rid of Miasma and Bane and didn't give them back to SCH... You couldn't even turn Deployment Tactics INTO BANE like it does for PvP.

Why does the Fairy Gauge only work with one ability? Aether Pact works with several. RECITATION works with more abilities.

Speaking of gauges, combine the two. We know you can update the gauge after a certain leveling point, there's no reason for the FaeGauge to be separated from the Aether one.*

Remember how I said there's no pet management? You can't even control what your fairy decides to heal.*

*both of these things you fixed with SGE btw

[primarisgoazrr]

I still enjoy it for the most part. I like the aesthetic and I like that there’s a pet that still does something. Although gameplay wise I think SCH needs some clean up.

- As I’ve said in a previous post I think the new Fairy Gauge should just be 5 stacks of Aetherflow, because there’s no reason to a whole separate gauge for a spell you only use every so often

- Physick should disappear, because why is it even still here?

- We should learn Broil as soon as SCH is unlocked, because there’s no reason we should being running around with Ruin at 150 potency and Ruin 2 at 140, which brings me to my next point..

- Ruin should upgrade to Ruin 2 and it should be an oGCD, so main will look like Broil > Ruin > Broil > Ruin etc

- Dissipation should be a 15% healing buff to the Fairy/Fairy Spells , and make Embace an AoE pulse that last 20 sec. Then at lvl 80 it should upgrade into Summon Seraph with a 20% healing buff lasts 25 sec

- Deployment Tactics should Spread Adloquiom and Lustrate. At lvl 74 it upgrades to Recitation where Adloquiom and Lustrate are free and crit. Excogitation is also free

- Fey Illumination should have its effect changed to provide a shield to the party, maybe something slightly weaker than Succor

- Whispering Dawn should get the added effect of increased healing potency received by party members by 5%

- Bio should be AoE (honestly all the Healer Dots should be if we don’t get spreaders)

- Scared Soil should keep the 10% mit, apply Miasma (100 potency maybe) to enemies in the bubble, and lose the regen

- Energy Drain should become a GCD and have 310 potency when Bio and Miasma on target (200 potency if only 1 DoT is on), it’ll have a 35 cooldown, it won’t use Aetherflow (It always be a bit stronger then Broil)

- Fey Blessing will use Aetherflow

- Aether Pact will use Aetherflow and last for 10 sec

I think these changes would be good, in my opinion at least