4 Paired Threads: SGE - How do you feel about it?

[Renathras]

Do you ____ it?
(love, like, neutral, dislike, hate)

What do you like about it?

What do you dislike about it?

What would you like changed about it?

EDIT:

WHM thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-feel-about-it

SCH thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-feel-about-it

AST thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-feel-about-it

[Supersnow845]

SGE is an embarrassing job showing their complete lack of any direction for healer design considering the entirety of its job design is “what if SCH which is already a shell of what it used to be, was just 5% weaker on all categories besides movement but in exchange lacked SCH’s Jank”

Seriously 6 years of requests for a 4th healer to balance the roles and they give us what basically amounts to a mild rework of modern SCH and call it a job

[fulminating]

I think I’d be less negative about it if it was more of a departure from the existing healers and hadn’t cost nocturnal sect. What’s done is done, but could an empty niche not have been found rather than hammering it into the ones that were already filled?

As described in the live letter and demonstrated by warrior, kardia can be made interesting. The layered shields aspect and tbn/resource on broken shield effect could be made more prominent. Or equally they could drop the shields to emphasise the %mit effects stapled on everything.

Dunno just felt I already knew it, which isn’t the response I wanted nor expected from the shiny new job.

[IceBlueNinja]

I love it, amazing mobility, its lore is very accurate like ast, instant shields vs pre ones anyday giving me a feel of old noct stance of ast unlike ugly weeby overrated jank scholar. I love that it even give the feel of a melee healer with how the way it flexes its spells and movements as well. Its on par of whm and ast with pretty spells to boot unlike weeby scholar that their casting animations is so boring and nerdy.

[fulminating]

>weeby
>not the literal gundam class
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Slight aside: a shield regen eg 50p shield refreshing every tick, later trait to change = to += could have been a good tool for sage fitting in with pandemia and narrow panhaemia as an onion shaped heal.

[IceBlueNinja]

Gundam makes sense in a FANTASY game, fighting with a book absolutely makes 0 sense.

Also forgot to add anyways I just wish E prog is buffed up, zoe is change to make sure you do crit 100% with the +50% heal since technically when it does it does pwn over rated crit e alco since illum and dissi is only 30% increase heal and pepsis just spread the e diag, soteria should give adderstring or just be rework and krasis should be at lvl 50 instead of 88

[ASkellington]

SGE is closer to hate on the dislike spectrum

The only thing I like about it is its artifact gear.

The dislike is more about it itself than the kit. It shouldn't exist. I understand that we asked for a healer for 6 years and were let down because DNC could have been that healer, but SGE brings absolutely nothing to the table.

• It got rid of a long standing class identity for AST something that they had happen to them in a prior expansion because Pure/Shield healer BS.
  
• It's a carbon copy of SCH like AST is for WHM: an easier SCH with flashier effects and less clunk.
  
• It addresses ZERO concerns with two of the major healing issues: they pretty much play the same and the way the devs think how we heal does not reflect how we heal.
  
• It doesn't even give us the request of a more damage oriented healer.

As far as the kit itself goes - I hate Toxicon, I hate Pepsis, and Kardia feels like a wasted oppertunity.

Toxicon makes it pretty clear they have 0 idea how we heal. EVERYTHING IS ON THE oGCD WHY THE HELLS WOULD I WASTED A GCD TO PROC A SKILL? You have no other way to proc it, it isn't even WORTH it since they have enough regens/burst healing to cover it. The only thing its good for is movement. Ok. Slide casting exists and its "worse version" of itself has an on demand movement tool (Ruin 2) that isn't tied to a proc nor is limited.

Pepsis I want to like. But when I have Haima, Panhaima, Prognosis, Diagnosis, Holos, Druochole (max 3), Physis, Ixochole, and Karachole (I feel like I'm missing one here) WHY TF WOULD I USE IT?

The skill is practically designed with the idea that shields are going to be your focus, you aren't going to have much burst healing, here's a way to turn your shields into a burst heal tool... when we have PLENTY OF HEALING TOOLS TO USE BEFORE WE EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. I'm all for actually making Pepsis worth a damn where you actually play into the shield idea and use Pepsis for your burst healing instead, but that's not what's happening here. Its just as bad as Synastry - good idea, fits poorly with the rest of the kit.

And Kardia... Again good idea. You heal through damage. Your shields keep your allies from dying long enough for you to do so with some spot healing if you need it. It's a glorified Embrace. A BETTER glorified Embrace since you can't force your fairy to focus on the tank instead of healing whoever she wants.

Edit: Ok I lied there's one more thing I can add to likes: Eukrasia is a good idea to cut on button bloat. I think it feels clunky, but its a good idea nonetheless.

[fulminating]

This insecurity is very sad to see. I may be autistic enough to completely miss a lot of subtext, but goodness.
Look sage is an alright job, most of what people are saying is that it could have been something novel and worth the 3 expansion wait, that it following the formula so strictly has prematurely clipped its wings when they could easily have been a bit less restrained and pushed boundaries more.

E: Well that post appearing before mine might have undermined the message somewhat.

[ASkellington]

SGE does its job. I don't like is aesthetic as far as animations go, but I get other people do. Like you said it could have been something more other than a SCH clone. That's the part that pisses me off about it. 3 expansions worth of a wait and you give us a better SCH instead of something completely different. What was the point in giving us the class then? is my thoughts on it.

[IceBlueNinja]

SGE does its job. I don't like is aesthetic as far as animations go, but I get other people do. Like you said it could have been something more other than a SCH clone. That's the part that pisses me off about it. 3 expansions worth of a wait and you give us a better SCH instead of something completely different. What was the point in giving us the class then? is my thoughts on it.

Not stepping on you or anyone toes but look at ast case, they had gotten the same bullied copy insult when sage did not exist being the wanna be weaker copied clone of whm/sch and now they kinda part that on the shield part of losing noct cause people hated it bashed it to bits and now its gone and transfer to sage now people want it back I do not understand that. I can say with ast/sage they should be more of what maybe be a class call the burst healer class. Do not give regens/migits/shields instead make it be that they do not only BIG DPS with heavy dot managements but while doing those things cause them to get big heal, kardia is a slight indication that they wanna do dps to heal things via sage, just didnt do it too good yet. Finally ill say I bet if it was reversed where sage was doing what sch do and sch was doing what sge is doing, I bet people will be bashing sch and what not. Everyone is entitled to thier opinions but people act as if sage aint nothing yet they are the welcome most used healers in ANY content and the most play job while the favorite sch is the less played. Something is clearly wrong if everyone fav sch is the less played healer.