G-give it Back T---T; !!

[AwesomeJr44]

Personally i liked Kaiten, it added a small amount of decision making to the rotation.

If they wanted to cull button bloat, all they had to do was combine Shota/Shota2 into a single target+cleave and it would have made the same difference in bloat that removing Kaiten did.

The current state of SAM players in savage is enough to show how low the skill ceiling for samurai is now, you can play like hot garbage and still do well, because the class no longer allows for meaningful decision making, and you just dump your job bar whenever you have it.

I don't disagree with most of this. The skill ceiling is too low, and the button bloat excuse given wasn't a good one. The only thing I disagree with here is that I don't think it was as interesting as people claim it was. I want SAM to be a more interesting job with a higher skill ceiling, but the cult-like behavior over Kaiten (a single button in a video game) is just cringe. Like I said, you don't see me doing this nonsense over Dark Arts or whatever.

They've made Kaiten their entire personality. It's really weird.

That's honestly the only part I find issue with. Even when they make decent points that I can agree with, the weird behavior just makes it cringe.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

I don't disagree with most of this. The skill ceiling is too low, and the button bloat excuse given wasn't a good one. The only thing I disagree with here is that I don't think it was as interesting as people claim it was. I want SAM to be a more interesting job with a higher skill ceiling, but the cult-like behavior over Kaiten (a single button in a video game) is just cringe. Like I said, you don't see me doing this nonsense over Dark Arts or whatever.

They've made Kaiten their entire personality. It's really weird. I even see them do this GameFAQs fifty times ban worthy nonsense in game.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I don't disagree with most of this. The skill ceiling is too low, and the button bloat excuse given wasn't a good one. The only thing I disagree with here is that I don't think it was as interesting as people claim it was. I want SAM to be a more interesting job with a higher skill ceiling, but the cult-like behavior over Kaiten (a single button in a video game) is just cringe. Like I said, you don't see me doing this nonsense over Dark Arts or whatever.



That's honestly the only part I find issue with. Even when they make decent points that I can agree with, the weird behavior just makes it cringe.

My biggest problem with kaiten in 6.0 was it's placement in the opener. Trying to juggle it 3 times along with everything else was rough. It was fine in 5.x, but I think the addition of namikiri made it a bit much, at least in the opener and every 2 mins. Part of why 6.0 ruined sam imo, the flow of the rotations just broke for me.


That's why I'm OK with it being gone, as the flow works better for me than with. I still think kenki for guren/senai shouldn't have been nerfed tho, that felt bad. And I really hate that namikiri exists. Potency should have been left on setsugekka and shoha ii should have been aoe + upgraded potency on single target. Not the mess we got.