G-give it Back T---T; !!

[Deo14]

This is my position as well.

It IS an obsession, people that want it back ARE irrational in how they will lash out at anyone they perceive as preventing that (even if said person has actual arguments or is offering fair rebuttal to them), but I personally don't care. If it made people happy, give it back to them? As long as it isn't making a bunch of other people upset, what's the harm? No one hurt, lots more happy, win-win/net positive.

I won't disagree with that, but I really hope that you're not speaking about yourself when you said "even if said person has actual arguments or is offering fair rebuttal to them". You've made single argument in the DPS subforum, and that is that there are "well thought out counters to it having been removed" from theory crafters and guide makers. I've asked you for the source in like 4 instances in span of 2 days, do you mind finally linking them, or did you just made it up without any source? Come on, just link it, I want to have a good laugh about what some theory crafters and guide makers think about job design.

[Renathras]

I won't disagree with that, but I really hope that you're not speaking about yourself when you said "even if said person has actual arguments or is offering fair rebuttal to them". You've made single argument in the DPS subforum, and that is that there are "well thought out counters to it having been removed" from theory crafters and guide makers. I've asked you for the source in like 4 instances in span of 2 days, do you mind finally linking them, or did you just made it up without any source? Come on, just link it, I want to have a good laugh about what some theory crafters and guide makers think about job design.

Nice way to try framing the conversation.

For those interested, Deo is referencing this thread, feel free to go there and tell her what you think personally: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...lay-FF14-again

Because I didn't outright say "Yeah, everyone agrees, add Kaiten back!" and pointed out that there are people who disagree, I DARED to challenge "unanimity", she's spent about 5 pages of that thread in increasingly unhinged baby attacks, trying to bring up other threads, and even though her initial post to me was about a technicality, she later claimed I was the one arguing technicalities. In order to save face, she's now bringing up other threads and discussions from other parts of the forum, posting memes, deriding my posts, and trying to change the subject instead of just admitting her initial actions were wrong.

And when I pointed out she doesn't want links in good faith so it's a waste of my time to post them, she even proves me right here "I want to have a good laugh about" it. She has no interest in seriously considering it NOR about admitting that support for Katien being returned isn't universal.

And the thing is, she's picking a fight with me while I'm literally saying to give her what she wants.

Not only will she not take the L, she won't take yes for an answer.

That's the kind of unhinged we're working with. For once I agree with Twinpeaks and AwesomeJr.

[Deo14]

Nice way to try framing the conversation.

For those interested, Deo is referencing this thread, feel free to go there and tell her what you think personally: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...lay-FF14-again

Because I didn't outright say "Yeah, everyone agrees, add Kaiten back!" and pointed out that there are people who disagree, I DARED to challenge "unanimity", she's spent about 5 pages of that thread in increasingly unhinged baby attacks, trying to bring up other threads, and even though her initial post to me was about a technicality, she later claimed I was the one arguing technicalities. In order to save face, she's now bringing up other threads and discussions from other parts of the forum, posting memes, deriding my posts, and trying to change the subject instead of just admitting her initial actions were wrong.

And when I pointed out she doesn't want links in good faith so it's a waste of my time to post them, she even proves me right here "I want to have a good laugh about" it. She has no interest in seriously considering it NOR about admitting that support for Katien being returned isn't universal.

And the thing is, she's picking a fight with me while I'm literally saying to give her what she wants.

Not only will she not take the L, she won't take yes for an answer.

That's the kind of unhinged we're working with. For once I agree with Twinpeaks and AwesomeJr.

I said "pretty much unanimously", yet you somehow made whole argument that I was saying that every 100% of players agrees with it. Also, there was other person in the thread who wanted those links, so just link it not for me, but for her? And yes, I don't want those links in good faith, I know I'll just laugh reading them, just like you wanted links for my data back in "Just quit" thread in a bad faith, except that I did give them to you, and then you discredited them.

Just some interesting info for others - this guy doesn't even have leveled SAM.

[Renathras]

I said "pretty much unanimously", yet you somehow made whole argument that I was saying that every 100% of players agrees with it. Also, there was other person in the thread who wanted those links, so just link it not for me, but for her? And yes, I don't want those links in good faith, I know I'll just laugh reading them, just like you wanted links for my data back in "Just quit" thread in a bad faith, except that I did give them to you, and then you discredited them.

Just some interesting info for others - this guy doesn't even have leveled SAM.

Why are you trying to bring this up here? We already have a thread talking about it here: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6314748

I get you're desperate to try and discredit me and/or get some people on your side, but that thread's in the DPS forum where "Kaiten removal was bad" is almost unanimously held. It's the one place on the planet that is so. You have even LESS support here, nd if you aren't careful, you're going to entice people like Awesome and Twinpeaks to go there to harass you more.

I already answered the question:

I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU. THIS IS THE POST I WAS TALKING TO:
(Ggwppino)

Something you seem to have a problem understanding: Not everything is about you. People in threads you happen to be in talk to people who aren't you.

The "argument" came about because me pointing out - to someone else who wasn't you - that opposition to Kaiten's removal wasn't unanimous was somehow heresy to you and you had to butt into the conversation and accuse me of moving goal posts. When I pointed out to you that was literally the conversation we were having, you tried to make the conversation about you. Then you made mocking "posts of meaningless things" quotes, a crying gif, tried to bring up past discussions to disparage me, etc, while not admitting the fact you made a mistake and were wrong.

And I did, in fact, provide links for her. In the post I just linked here.

Unlike you, I don't lie and breath Kaiten, so I don't save every last link. So I just did a google search of Reddit and found people dissenting, found people IN THIS VERY THREAD doing so, and even some YouTube folks saying so.

GET OVER IT.

You keep going on these unhinged rants and trying to spread this garbage dirty laundry all over different parts of the forum, including referencing past threads to disparage me over instead of sticking with the topic, going on and on about technicalities, all while accusing ME of not wanting to stick to the topic and being snippy about technicalities.

Someone doesn't have to have leveled SAM...to be able to say that OPPOSITION TO KAITEN'S REMOVAL IS NOT UNIVERSAL ON THE PLANET AND THERE ARE PEOPLE ON FORUMS AND COMMENT SECTIONS THAT DO NOT SHARE YOUR VIEWPOINT.

That doesn't take a 90 SAM, it only takes being ABLE TO READ.

Stop being insufferable and just take the L.

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EDIT:

I don't want to call you out like this, but you JUST. WON'T. STOP.

And the WORST part is?

You're doing this to a person literally saying/arguing FOR KAITEN'S RETURN!!!! Someone who is saying THEY WANT YOU TO GET WHAT YOU WANT!! For the love of Zodiark, TAKE YES FOR AN ANSWER ALREADY!!!!!!!

If anything, you should be fighting with the people here (and in that thread) openly mocking you and saying they hope you never get Kaiten back. They actually are opposing you. YOU just want to rag on and disparage me personally.

...I'm almost honored I live so rent free in your head that there are TWO things you will go after any time: Me and Kaiten. I feel so loved. <3