A question for SCH mains and enjoyers

[Aravell]

Not to sound like a broken record, Aravell, but it's rich you saying this when I just pointed out a few posts earlier you trying to do the same thing against me with the "bad faith" remark. In short, you did the "I know you are but what am I?" first (technically in that case it was Ty, but you're the one that jumped to call me it instead).

For my part, I'm trying to get away from all this tit-for-tat. I like discussing points and mechanics and contrasting arguments and so on, but people here before have gotten onto me - a lot - for threads derailed (even if someone else derailed them), for calling names (even if someone else did that first), and so on, and I've realized that other than Sebezy (shoutout to her), and increasingly half-way with Vetch (shoutout to him) in extremely blatant cases, no one will ever come to my defense or call out anyone else for doing those things.

So it falls to me to start saying "Okay, I can see this conversation isn't going anywhere. Let's be mature adults, agree to disagree. Agree that this isn't productive conversation. Realize that we probably aren't changing each other's minds, and move on."

When you try to deliver a "parting shot" (or two. or three.), I know no one is going to stand up for me and point out I'm trying to do the healthy thing and ask you not to do that. I know that they're going to Likebomb your post instead with the parting shot, because for all the arguments against me on tone and civility, no one here actually cares about those concepts, they just want to use them as cudgels against someone they disagree with. If they actually DID care about them, they'd be telling you your comment was unfair or saying I was probably making the right call. Maybe Sebezy or someone will surprise me, but it hasn't happened yet.

But, I'm actually trying to take to heart those things we discussed before - you were there, remember? - about civility and people not being at each other's throats or having bad "tone" in their posts and so on. So I'm stopping this line of...discussion...because it's not productive. You can make your parting shots, but they don't change anything. And if people would rather like your posts than call you out on it, all that does is prove no one actually cares about civility and all that stuff (other than, ironically, me).

I'm not exiting this conversation because I'm somehow the stubborn one and you're oh-so right and oh-so not stubborn. I'm exiting this conversation because it's negative, isn't doing anything useful or productive, and because there's nothing further to discuss.

My problem with you is that you stand your ground and fight where it doesn't matter, but when I'm trying to have a productive discussion with you, you start off fine, asking me for clarifications, which I give, and then when I ask you a question in return, you just vanish without a trace and never answer my questions. I can't ascertain your intentions because you always deflect or vanish when I'm trying to have a productive discussion, that's why I'm leaning towards you being here in bad faith. If you want to prove me wrong, maybe actually answer me in the productive discussions instead of perceived attacks upon your person.

EDIT: Also I wasn't defending Ty, I was pointing out that an inaccuracy in your statement. I've defended you before when people were being extremely unfair to you, you're also being extremely unfair to the healer forums, I'm calling you out on that.