Unable to log in to prevent house demolition due to real world issues

[Moonlite]

What? No.

Demolition is a necessary evil. It sucks, but without it we'd be looking at entire wards full of abandoned houses and no plots would EVER go up for sale outside of the occasional server move.

They mention the holding of the items. The house is already gone. But they also don't hold your items and gil very long. So you need to pay for one month to get items and gil off NPC.

In the past Yoshi-P has talked about how it takes a lot of manual labor for the team to create new housing wards. Do you think he's lying, or potentially have evidence to the contrary? I've taken him at his word but if there's a compelling reason not to I'd be interested in hearing it.

Manual labour? It takes none. What it takes is server resources. They are persistent running zones. It isn't like when you enter your island. That only uses resources when someone is there. They have literally wasted open world resources to keep this housing system. So they add new zones, check if server is stable. Add more housing wards server isn't stable, remove wards. There has to be another answer and I think the travel system is it. But that takes money just like better servers.

[Stormpeaks]

He's the main PR guy, there was a lot of lies or inaccuracies he told throughout the game's lifespan. If you're really curious, I could give you few examples, or there also was a thread about it, you could check it out.

And do you believe that we should just settle with terrible state of housing , just because it would be "a lot of manual labor" for devs? That's their job, and players would clearly love it if they finally fixed it.

There is also that quote from Yoshi P himself from back when housing released in which he clearly said there wouldnt be any system like auto demolition, sadly I cant find it anymore, but he said it word for word that he didnt want to do what other games did, and that there would be no auto demo system.

[LilimoLimomo]

He's the main PR guy, there was a lot of lies or inaccuracies he told throughout the game's lifespan. If you're really curious, I could give you few examples, or there also was a thread about it, you could check it out.

I would love examples, or if you can link me to the thread that would be great, too! I'm still learning my way around the forums.

And do you believe that we should just settle with terrible state of housing , just because it would be "a lot of manual labor" for devs? That's their job, and players would clearly love it if they finally fixed it.

Oh no, I think you've misunderstood me. The devs have shown that they are happy to do the manual labor that is required to create new wards. But assuming Yoshi-P is telling the truth, what is far more difficult would be to change that system. Now, difficult doesn't mean impossible, but the devs only have a limited amount of bandwidth with which to create everything that is presented in each new patch and expansion. The content and improvements they make are among the game's most prominent selling points, so they want to get as much bang for their buck as possible so that they (hopefully) make their fans happy and in turn their fans will keep funding the development of the game.

But not all tasks are created equal. The resources it takes to overhaul housing might be resources that could instead be used to make one dungeon, or two Ultimates, or a whole expansion. I genuinely don't know how much it would take to do such a thing, but the point is that it would be a large undertaking. And if the devs decided to do it, it means they would have to not do other stuff that people also want. And that's a big part of the unenviable task that Yoshi-P has: he makes the hard choices about what to make and what to cut, with the goal of making the most fans possible as happy as possible.

I think you should keep voicing your wants and your dissatisfaction if that's what you feel. Let the devs know what you want, which will help them to better prioritize the kinds of content and improvements they work on.

That said, I've worked in games and tech, so I totally understand when the devs can't provide what some players want, even when it would make everyone happy. Sometimes there's just not the bandwidth to make thing W because all the resources are already devoted to things X, Y, and Z which players feel more strongly about. So for my part, I just try to be understanding of the devs limitations.

[LilimoLimomo]

Manual labour? It takes none. What it takes is server resources.

There's a lot of work that goes into setting up physical servers and getting them ready to work with your product. And getting space for those servers to exist in. And hiring staff to maintain them.

That's why services like AWS have kind of been blowing up the way tech infrastructure works, because for a price it provides a way to avoid all of that hassle. And I feel like it's a very safe assumption to make that FF14 isn't using any similar service, because if they were then you're right, getting additional server resources would be only slightly trickier than writing a "Hello World" application.

[Deo14]

I would love examples, or if you can link me to the thread that would be great, too! I'm still learning my way around the forums.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...6-Yoshi-P-lied

Here's the thread I was talking about. It's about how Yoshi said that FFXVI will not affect development of FFXIV, but well, here we are, with people calling this worst expansion so far, sometimes even worse than ARR.

What Storm said about him saying that auto-demolition seems to be true, it's not a first time I've heard it. But it's really annoying to find sources for this kind of stuff. It's not only old, but often in japanese too. So here's few I've found. Not necessarily lies, but inaccuracies too.

https://ricedigital.co.uk/interview-...-xivs-yoshi-p/

When people play role-playing games, they like to enhance their characters. If we don’t add a raised level cap to each expansion, then maybe players will be discouraged. The level cap will increase with each expansion but we want to add more elements so that you can further enhance your characters.

This was in SB, not sure where are the elements to further enhance your characters.

https://ffxiv.jeuxonline.info/actual...k-2017#english

However we are able to track players who buy a house with the intent of making a profit reselling it, so rest assure that we are taking actions against these players.

Yeah no, that's clearly not a case. He also said that there will be more policies to prevent people from buying multiple plots, but I'm on new server, 2 expansions later, and there are many wards with same FC blatantly owning 5+ houses.

https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fant...ltimate-mmorpg

So we will release the content, and then iteratively make adjustments while keeping an eye on the player feedback.

They are not doing this at all. Rokkon is same as Sildihn, Island Sanctuary is just getting additive upgrades with exterior furniture being only major feature they added in the span of nearly whole year. Instead of iterating on any of previous relic system, they scrapped whole relic idea and gave us participation award.

Honestly, looking at these old interviews, it's sad how some of these questions still apply 1:1 today.



Simply said, it's not like he's chronical liar, it's just that he's been there for 10 years and he's the main PR guy, so of course there will be some inaccuracies or even outright lies. I'm just opposing the argument that he never lied.

Oh no, I think you've misunderstood me. The devs have shown that they are happy to do the manual labor that is required to create new wards. But assuming Yoshi-P is telling the truth, what is far more difficult would be to change that system. Now, difficult doesn't mean impossible, but the devs only have a limited amount of bandwidth with which to create everything that is presented in each new patch and expansion. The content and improvements they make are among the game's most prominent selling points, so they want to get as much bang for their buck as possible so that they (hopefully) make their fans happy and in turn their fans will keep funding the development of the game.

But not all tasks are created equal. The resources it takes to overhaul housing might be resources that could instead be used to make one dungeon, or two Ultimates, or a whole expansion. I genuinely don't know how much it would take to do such a thing, but the point is that it would be a large undertaking. And if the devs decided to do it, it means they would have to not do other stuff that people also want. And that's a big part of the unenviable task that Yoshi-P has: he makes the hard choices about what to make and what to cut, with the goal of making the most fans possible as happy as possible.

I think you should keep voicing your wants and your dissatisfaction if that's what you feel. Let the devs know what you want, which will help them to better prioritize the kinds of content and improvements they work on.

That said, I've worked in games and tech, so I totally understand when the devs can't provide what some players want, even when it would make everyone happy. Sometimes there's just not the bandwidth to make thing W because all the resources are already devoted to things X, Y, and Z which players feel more strongly about. So for my part, I just try to be understanding of the devs limitations.

You can check some of those interviews, it's clear that housing was in pretty rough shape already in Stormblood. Yet here we are, 2.5 expansions later and there are same problems. There are no changes after such a long time, when even LotR:O has instanced housing. There are very lax regulations, meaning that people can abuse housing system and have multiple houses or use shell FCs. No improvements to apartments, that whole idea seems to be abandoned, it's really just a last resort for people who are desperate for housing. Apartments are so depressing, they're just boxes with very obvious fake window.

Which is why people are just unhappy and impatient, and conspiracies that it's intentional to milk us start to circulate. There are also problems like clear regional preferences.

Recently I did some housing analysis of free available plots, which concluded that JP regions are in significantly better housing situation than EU/NA, and that JP and EU/NA have different needs when it comes to FC and private housing. So even if they couldn't add more wards, they could change ratio of FC to Private wards on server basis to at least alleviate the problems.

[Koros]

I'll take the risk of being blunt, you wont get anything back, they really dont care.

Exactly, it's purely manufactured:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...s-manufactured

[dspguy]

There is no reason to lose belongings. Apartments are essentially perpetual dumping grounds - whether you use it or not. The grace period is to make you pay money to do something about it.

I've lost my house to auto-demo. I wasn't playing the game. I lost my house. However, for me, it was a choice. I chose to stop playing during HW and while I was gone, they instituted house demolition.

[Remolia]

It's been awhile since I played ESO, but if I recall it doesn't have anything akin to wards, but rather each player's distinct house exists in its own instance, right?

If that's the case, I don't think that's too different than how FF14 has apartments. There's no auto-demolition for those and absolutely everyone can have one. The lone different seems like it would be that apartments don't give you an outside of the house, while if I recall ESO might?

They just put ur house in "private ward".

The thing is, why devs cant implement hybrid housing system, where ur large, medium or small house is placed in a "virtual" space, which can be accessed only via FC/frend list, or in a special list, while u are online (hello SWTOR).
But in addition to this u can pay extra to get ur house "published" in a ward, like today's system.
Aaand when u gone for 3 month, ur house is being moved back to "private" area, instead of being deleted. Instead of fully deleting ur housing progress to absolute zero.

[rainichan]

There are no changes after such a long time, when even LotR:O has instanced housing.

LOTRO does not have instanced housing, it has a neighbourhood system like XIV does. The only difference is that when a neighbourhood fills up, a new one is generated, at the cost of less ability to decorate the way that you can in XIV (I have screenshots from my own house and guild house here). FFXI's housing is instanced, everyone gets one from the start, and mog houses outside your home city just act like an inn room that you can't decorate, as is SWTOR's.

Not to say I wouldn't like a system where a new neighbourhood is auto-generated, but I imagine the same thing would have to happen re: not having as many outdoor hooks to place items or as many houses in each ward to keep sizes down, as well as the fact that the devs would have to go back and revamp the entire system... which takes manpower to do. Everyone's already saying there's less and less to do, taking dev resources and time away from playable content would just make people more upset. They could work on it slowly but then it's "well it's taking too long" lmao.

And re: housing demos, Yoshida didn't want to do that or paying upkeep at all, but the players asked for auto-demos when demand for housing was starting to overtake the supply back in 2.x. He caved because the players asked, just like they did for lottos to ease not having to try to beat botters to placard click and the demand for it only grew. Maybe it will work for instanced housing eventually too.

[Striker44]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...6-Yoshi-P-lied

Here's the thread I was talking about. It's about how Yoshi said that FFXVI will not affect development of FFXIV, but well, here we are, with people calling this worst expansion so far, sometimes even worse than ARR.

Narrator's voice: People on this forum have called every single new expansion in existence the "worst one so far" since the game started. This place has been a negative echo chamber for the game's entire lifespan. The couple dozen or so bitter residents are meaningless compared to the hundreds of thousands of players enjoying the game.