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[Deo14]

I would love examples, or if you can link me to the thread that would be great, too! I'm still learning my way around the forums.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...6-Yoshi-P-lied

Here's the thread I was talking about. It's about how Yoshi said that FFXVI will not affect development of FFXIV, but well, here we are, with people calling this worst expansion so far, sometimes even worse than ARR.

What Storm said about him saying that auto-demolition seems to be true, it's not a first time I've heard it. But it's really annoying to find sources for this kind of stuff. It's not only old, but often in japanese too. So here's few I've found. Not necessarily lies, but inaccuracies too.

https://ricedigital.co.uk/interview-...-xivs-yoshi-p/

When people play role-playing games, they like to enhance their characters. If we don’t add a raised level cap to each expansion, then maybe players will be discouraged. The level cap will increase with each expansion but we want to add more elements so that you can further enhance your characters.

This was in SB, not sure where are the elements to further enhance your characters.

https://ffxiv.jeuxonline.info/actual...k-2017#english

However we are able to track players who buy a house with the intent of making a profit reselling it, so rest assure that we are taking actions against these players.

Yeah no, that's clearly not a case. He also said that there will be more policies to prevent people from buying multiple plots, but I'm on new server, 2 expansions later, and there are many wards with same FC blatantly owning 5+ houses.

https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fant...ltimate-mmorpg

So we will release the content, and then iteratively make adjustments while keeping an eye on the player feedback.

They are not doing this at all. Rokkon is same as Sildihn, Island Sanctuary is just getting additive upgrades with exterior furniture being only major feature they added in the span of nearly whole year. Instead of iterating on any of previous relic system, they scrapped whole relic idea and gave us participation award.

Honestly, looking at these old interviews, it's sad how some of these questions still apply 1:1 today.



Simply said, it's not like he's chronical liar, it's just that he's been there for 10 years and he's the main PR guy, so of course there will be some inaccuracies or even outright lies. I'm just opposing the argument that he never lied.

Oh no, I think you've misunderstood me. The devs have shown that they are happy to do the manual labor that is required to create new wards. But assuming Yoshi-P is telling the truth, what is far more difficult would be to change that system. Now, difficult doesn't mean impossible, but the devs only have a limited amount of bandwidth with which to create everything that is presented in each new patch and expansion. The content and improvements they make are among the game's most prominent selling points, so they want to get as much bang for their buck as possible so that they (hopefully) make their fans happy and in turn their fans will keep funding the development of the game.

But not all tasks are created equal. The resources it takes to overhaul housing might be resources that could instead be used to make one dungeon, or two Ultimates, or a whole expansion. I genuinely don't know how much it would take to do such a thing, but the point is that it would be a large undertaking. And if the devs decided to do it, it means they would have to not do other stuff that people also want. And that's a big part of the unenviable task that Yoshi-P has: he makes the hard choices about what to make and what to cut, with the goal of making the most fans possible as happy as possible.

I think you should keep voicing your wants and your dissatisfaction if that's what you feel. Let the devs know what you want, which will help them to better prioritize the kinds of content and improvements they work on.

That said, I've worked in games and tech, so I totally understand when the devs can't provide what some players want, even when it would make everyone happy. Sometimes there's just not the bandwidth to make thing W because all the resources are already devoted to things X, Y, and Z which players feel more strongly about. So for my part, I just try to be understanding of the devs limitations.

You can check some of those interviews, it's clear that housing was in pretty rough shape already in Stormblood. Yet here we are, 2.5 expansions later and there are same problems. There are no changes after such a long time, when even LotR:O has instanced housing. There are very lax regulations, meaning that people can abuse housing system and have multiple houses or use shell FCs. No improvements to apartments, that whole idea seems to be abandoned, it's really just a last resort for people who are desperate for housing. Apartments are so depressing, they're just boxes with very obvious fake window.

Which is why people are just unhappy and impatient, and conspiracies that it's intentional to milk us start to circulate. There are also problems like clear regional preferences.

Recently I did some housing analysis of free available plots, which concluded that JP regions are in significantly better housing situation than EU/NA, and that JP and EU/NA have different needs when it comes to FC and private housing. So even if they couldn't add more wards, they could change ratio of FC to Private wards on server basis to at least alleviate the problems.

[rainichan]

There are no changes after such a long time, when even LotR:O has instanced housing.

LOTRO does not have instanced housing, it has a neighbourhood system like XIV does. The only difference is that when a neighbourhood fills up, a new one is generated, at the cost of less ability to decorate the way that you can in XIV (I have screenshots from my own house and guild house here). FFXI's housing is instanced, everyone gets one from the start, and mog houses outside your home city just act like an inn room that you can't decorate, as is SWTOR's.

Not to say I wouldn't like a system where a new neighbourhood is auto-generated, but I imagine the same thing would have to happen re: not having as many outdoor hooks to place items or as many houses in each ward to keep sizes down, as well as the fact that the devs would have to go back and revamp the entire system... which takes manpower to do. Everyone's already saying there's less and less to do, taking dev resources and time away from playable content would just make people more upset. They could work on it slowly but then it's "well it's taking too long" lmao.

And re: housing demos, Yoshida didn't want to do that or paying upkeep at all, but the players asked for auto-demos when demand for housing was starting to overtake the supply back in 2.x. He caved because the players asked, just like they did for lottos to ease not having to try to beat botters to placard click and the demand for it only grew. Maybe it will work for instanced housing eventually too.

[MsMisato]

LOTRO does not have instanced housing, it has a neighbourhood system like XIV does. The only difference is that when a neighbourhood fills up, a new one is generated, at the cost of less ability to decorate the way that you can in XIV (I have screenshots from my own house and guild house here). FFXI's housing is instanced, everyone gets one from the start, and mog houses outside your home city just act like an inn room that you can't decorate, as is SWTOR's.

Not to say I wouldn't like a system where a new neighbourhood is auto-generated, but I imagine the same thing would have to happen re: not having as many outdoor hooks to place items or as many houses in each ward to keep sizes down, as well as the fact that the devs would have to go back and revamp the entire system... which takes manpower to do. Everyone's already saying there's less and less to do, taking dev resources and time away from playable content would just make people more upset. They could work on it slowly but then it's "well it's taking too long" lmao.

And re: housing demos, Yoshida didn't want to do that or paying upkeep at all, but the players asked for auto-demos when demand for housing was starting to overtake the supply back in 2.x. He caved because the players asked, just like they did for lottos to ease not having to try to beat botters to placard click and the demand for it only grew. Maybe it will work for instanced housing eventually too.

demand took over because no one was wanting to spend 10 million gil for a small because if you recall, house pricing was based off server popularity. I remember when they allowed private housing, and it still didn't fill up because of how ridonkilous the pricing system was at time for a game being released and barely even a year old when they finally brought it out XD

[rainichan]

demand took over because no one was wanting to spend 10 million gil for a small because if you recall, house pricing was based off server popularity. I remember when they allowed private housing, and it still didn't fill up because of how ridonkilous the pricing system was at time for a game being released and barely even a year old when they finally brought it out XD

Smalls weren't 10mil, even on populated servers like Balmung; the highest they went for a first class is 5mil. The larges were close to 100mil before any devaluation (god, remember that? That wouldn't do much now lol). The old housing price list is here. By then at least the legacy servers had that kind of money, and they were all mixed anyway with the FCs. Heck, my current house is in a FC-designated ward and it was only designated that in 6.1. But more FCs were able to raise gil and they were running into problems with dead and inactive FCs in houses where they hadn't been on long enough and it really was messing with the housing market.

I just remember the first demo going off on Christmas lol. There were houses saved by the person or someone in the FC walking in, but a lot just never came back after they quit. It sucks now, and I wish they'd allocate more wards for the more populous areas that are actively saying they want houses over the ones that just don't care (my understanding is JP is not as wanting of houses as we are in NA and EU on most servers?) but I figure it's not feasible to consolidate without pushing people into other wards where their preferred plot is already taken up. Doing that when they can't figure out people are loopholing to own multiple plots and stopping that from happening? How silly.

[SturmChurro]

Smalls weren't 10mil, even on populated servers like Balmung; the highest they went for a first class is 5mil. The larges were close to 100mil before any devaluation (god, remember that? That wouldn't do much now lol).

Yeah, I have heard people are willing to pay upwards of 350 million privately to others to purchase their house.

[Striker44]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...6-Yoshi-P-lied

Here's the thread I was talking about. It's about how Yoshi said that FFXVI will not affect development of FFXIV, but well, here we are, with people calling this worst expansion so far, sometimes even worse than ARR.

Narrator's voice: People on this forum have called every single new expansion in existence the "worst one so far" since the game started. This place has been a negative echo chamber for the game's entire lifespan. The couple dozen or so bitter residents are meaningless compared to the hundreds of thousands of players enjoying the game.

[Stormpeaks]

Narrator's voice: People on this forum have called every single new expansion in existence the "worst one so far" since the game started. This place has been a negative echo chamber for the game's entire lifespan. The couple dozen or so bitter residents are meaningless compared to the hundreds of thousands of players enjoying the game.

Imagine implying everyone playing the game actually enjoys every single part of it

Nice delusions my guy

[VelKallor]

Narrator's voice: People on this forum have called every single new expansion in existence the "worst one so far" since the game started. This place has been a negative echo chamber for the game's entire lifespan. The couple dozen or so bitter residents are meaningless compared to the hundreds of thousands of players enjoying the game.

[Striker44]

Imagine implying everyone playing the game actually enjoys every single part of it

Nice delusions my guy

Never said that, but thanks for putting words in my mouth - great way to show you don't have an argument.

I don't think that it's true at all and it's really interesting that posters with 'recent' join dates who, by their own admission, only started playing the game fairly recently as well are the ones trying to rewrite the history of the forum to suit whatever point they're making at the time.

I've only seen a few point out they only started playing recently, and none of them are commenting about the past. Also remember that "Join Date" isn't the same as when you started playing, but rather when you chose to start using the forums. For example, my join date shows as Jan. 2022, but I actually started this account back sometime in the summer of 2015. People can "lurk" around the forums and read them for years without choosing to post. And it gets sad when you try to re-write history yourself by claiming other people are doing that just because you don't like the reality of it.

[Koros]

Never said that, but thanks for putting words in my mouth - great way to show you don't have an argument.

Lol

lmao even