Thread: Review of 6.3 Story Content

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

also ShB was just FFIII and FFX had a baby. Just wanted to say that out loud here.

Glad you said this. Because it just reminded me. Not Shb, but Anima. Anima was from X, what was Anima in X? Seymour's mom. What is Anima in XIV? Zenos' dad. Wow imagine that more fan service. Crystal Tower raids? Wait for it... Fan service to FFIII. Thordan and the Knights of the Round, fan service to FF7. Hell Hydaelyn and Zodiark have a lot of similarities to Cosmos/Materia and Chaos/Spiritus from Dissidia. Shinryu that we have is akin to Shinryu from FFV same with Omega. Kefka is from VI. Again the list goes round and round.

Originally Posted by Plasma711

You do realize 98% of this game is fan service right? Thats why the Four Fiends were here in the first place.

Ok sure. Let's see your examples.

Eden.

Was literally not even a character sure. It's literally a giant sineater we fight the raids in, and is actually not MSQ would you look at that.
The way they set Eden up is that it's this computer system you do that's not sentient (enough) to use their own actions. That's it.

I honestly have a lot more problems with the Eden story, but this is not the scope of the topic.

Omega. Chaos. Halicarnassus.

Only one character on this list is in the MSQ, and that's Omega. He was literally a part of the Shinryu story and was his foil.
And even in the raid series, he was trying to test us out by having us fight all these simulations. These simulations being literally just basic one-note parallel universe beings in design that is never meant to be talked to, and we never talk to unless we're fighting. Halicarnassus and Chaos is literally just stuck on their own respective floors and was never introduced in the MSQ, so yeah there's nothing to explore here.

They're throwaways, but they make sense to be throwaways considering Omega literally uses them to "test" our abilities. In fact, I'd go so far to say that these characters are a part of Omega's character exploration as well. It's an extension of him, puppets or familiars if you will.

Diabolos.

Not in the MSQ, but has an amazing build up in ARR. You see him in a bunch of Hard dungeons, trying to do something, and always just barely escaping after we beat him.
It all culminates into the Heavensward 24 man story which is one of the best payoffs I've seen and also intersects a lot with the PoTD story too.
He's very well explored for a "throwaway" character. If FFXIV treated the Fiends like Diabolos, I'd be plenty happy.

The list literally keeps going.

Oh yes it does. Let's keep going with one more.

Remember Eda? The healer who was blamed for letting their tank die, and was getting shit on by her party in the entrance to Satasha?

You literally see her as you go through ARR, and then it finally culminates into one of the hard dungeons where it's revealed that she's actually performed necromancy so she can get her abusive tank bf back to life, and then she falls off and then returns AGAIN to POTD, and then the story is actually finished.

... Actually maybe not, cause you can still see her around the citystates sometimes. Just watching you, like the creep she is.

For a throwaway character that's not in the MSQ, she's pretty damn well explored.

They take existing stories and characters from other main line titles and put them into XIV and create an "original" story around them to make it fit XIVs narrative. Yeah you're right you didnt mention IV, other than the fact you're ripping characters in XIV that literally came from IV, where bosses had less depth than a digital ant. Not sure what you wanted from them, they're pawns. They did what pawns do, only this time they had reasons and purpose behind it.

Yes. We are experiencing FFXIV's story and writing and literally anything else other than that is irrelevant.
It doesn't matter if I pick fucking idk, Kefka from FFVI, and put it in the story. I'll still apply the same standards that they have established from ALL THE WAY back to ARR to these characters.

I do not care where these people came from. I care if they're well written, and right now they absolutely aren't.

And don't tell me that the Fiends are literally the same as Chaos or Halicarnassus or Kefka in O8S. They're not.

We literally TALK to them. They're literally in the MSQ. They're the big baddies.
They should not be one note throwaway characters whose job is to be "HURR DURR I WILL EAT YOUR WOLRD WAAAAAAAA" like some basic highwayman in an RPG.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Its clear that the writers didnt want to drag out the four fiends into this current arc and wanted to give them enough screentime and weight to achieve whatever the plot needs them to do and honestly thats enough.

But it's not though. They've literally handled characters like the Fiends better in the past, and this has been not up to par.

you seriously dont need an emotional and complex backstory to every single thing, just need to have enough motivation and understanding to know why they do the things they do in a jrpg for villians

And that's the worse thing about it.

They've literally hinted at this backstory. Hell it's literally the story about the 13th! It's literally a shard of the our world that became corrupted and its inhabitants being summoned into the Source for all kinds of bullshit. They literally dangled and mentioned and acknowledged that "Yeah we're actually stilll human xd" with Rubicon, and that's just a missed opportunity to explore that instead of just watching Zero eat bread for 3rd time.

That's what's disappointing about it. There was so much potential, but we just kill two of them in a dungeon and that's all she wrote.

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EDIT: I did not realize that forums have a post limit LMAO. So I'll be using this post to reply once.
I'll come back to this once the limit's gone after a few days or something idk.

But anyway.

Originally Posted by Plasma711

Seems you're talking about yourself again to me. I was discussing the story just fine until you came in getting incredibly hostile and defensive.

Originally Posted by Plasma711

Yeah you're absolutely coping holy moly. I bet you're fun at parties, jesus christ.

Yeah definitely unprompted.

Originally Posted by Plasma711

You can dislike this game or anything else. It has 0 impact on me, I think its hilarious that you're this tilted because people brought opposing views to your wild claims. Maybe dont open your mouth on shit if you can't handle the replies eh?

Yeah and I'm discussing these opposing views though? I've literally listed out and elaborated all and replied to all your points and then you had the notion of attacking me for saying as much? Check all my replies and they've all been revolving around my points and they've been consistent, and then you immediately countered with an attack on my character, and then when I defend myself you had the gall to project on me?

I'll be fine talking to you a lot more, but if you are going to start hurling insults to people after a while, then maybe you should not open your mouth on shit if you can't handle the replies, eh?

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

If thats what you took from the Four Fiends in FFXIV with them just "hurr durr I will eat your world" then wow you must've just intentionally tuned them out. Not gonna gonna say that they're deep and meaningful but you seriously dont need an emotional and complex backstory to every single thing, just need to have enough motivation and understanding to know why they do the things they do in a jrpg for villians. Its clear that the writers didnt want to drag out the four fiends into this current arc and wanted to give them enough screentime and weight to achieve whatever the plot needs them to do and honestly thats enough.

You're not supposed to tell others that the series loves to get it's kicks by taking it's self out on a date and then go back to its place to do the horizontal foxtrot. I had a person say I was crazy for wanting to know the difference between why some things when they die just turn into aether dust. You know the stuff you see all over the Delta Quadrant in Azys La and how some people like Yasale, Elidibus, Haurchefant ect get the Farplane sperm thingies.

For me up to ShB Hydelean and Zodiark felt like they were going beat for beat of the Altana Vs Promethean storyline from XI. Heck both MMOs have the players beat up Hades at the end of one of their expansions. And yes the it has to be all one way or the other is one of my gripes with the community as well. Especially when it comes to liking or disliking something. You say you like something and somehow that must mean you don't have any minor faults with it. Or that you have to be a shill.

I think there's probably more people who remember and care about Delores Bear and his ill fated party than Edda herself. There were even people who had forgotten who G'Raha was when starting ShB due to how long ago they had done the CT raid.

So your literal argument is some random healer from back in ARR had a purpose in a hard mode dungeon a couple patches later has more of an impact then what? Lmfao. So basically if characters in the game dont live for more then a patch and show up 5 years later for some random reason, then they are throw away characters? Yeah not quite sure I'm the one coping here. Also last I checked we had literal conversations with all four Fiends. Like wut? Just say you hate the story without all the weird random mumbo jumbo that means literally nothing.

You let me know how many people give a flying shit about Edda for one. For two even did that hard mode dungeon. Three even remember who she is now. Pretty damn sure I'm gonna remember a whole lot more about literally any character in these post patches, than I remember about Edda.

Also they treated the fiends 10x better than Diabolos, lmfao. Diabolos got a dungeon and then he was in an alliance raid. And what conversations did we have with him btw? Oh wait we didn't. Got it.

Originally Posted by Payotz

My literal argument is that some random healer back in ARR is actually better written than the BIG BAD MSQ VILLAINS in this arc.

Moenbryda was better written.
That Talos short story from back in Shadowbringers was better written.
Hell even god forsakened ASAHI was better handled, along with Yotsuyu's mother and father.

My literal argument is that the way they handled the Fiends was horrible, especially since they've literally hinted at some depth with Rubicon.
They could've handled it way way better consider they're in the MSQ.

If your MSQ character is written worse than a literal rando healer back in ARR, then yeah I will absolutely call them out on their BS.

Jesus it's like pulling teeth with you people.

Yeah you're absolutely coping holy moly. I bet you're fun at parties, jesus christ.

Originally Posted by Plasma711

Yeah you're absolutely coping holy moly. I bet you're fun at parties, jesus christ.

Buddy if your sense of self-worth depends on a lot of people liking the same video game you're playing, then that's really on you and not on me.

This is a discussion for a 6.3 story. Hell the first post is literally critcizing and reviewing the story.

If you really don't like people critcizing your favourite video game, then I suggest going to this thread:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...d-it-be/page10

It's infinitely a lot more soothing for your soul.