Whatever happened to “We don’t balance fights around healers needing to do damage?”

[Elizasylen]

While being curb stomped in P8S I Suddenly remembered. I swear they used to always say they don’t I balance fights around healers needing to do damage. Whatever happened to that? I don’t think there’s a single fight in panda or even the extreme trials you can do without healer damage at all.

[GoatOfWar]

It was one of their many excuses not to give healers a damage rotation. They want the role to be as easy as humanly possible in hopes to attract more players. They expect you to smash your forehead on your one damage button until the boss dies, but openly admitting so while also not giving you meaningful healing checks would make them look bad.

[Elizasylen]

It was one of their many excuses not to give healers a damage rotation. They want the role to be as easy as humanly possible in hopes to attract more players. They expect you to smash your forehead on your one damage button until the boss dies, but openly admitting so while also not giving you meaningful healing checks would make them look bad.

Well now we’re still stuck with one button. The game requires our damage. And still we have no players to meet the PF demand. What has been accomplished…. Sigh

PS I’m in favor of scrubbing our GCD buttons for a more Warrior or Summoner level rotation btw.

[FireMage]

While being curb stomped in P8S I Suddenly remembered. I swear they used to always say they don’t I balance fights around healers needing to do damage. Whatever happened to that? I don’t think there’s a single fight in panda or even the extreme trials you can do without healer damage at all.

They stopped saying that ages ago

[Elizasylen]

They stopped saying that ages ago

Yeah, i realized that much i was just wondering when that was.

[FireMage]

Yeah, i realized that much i was just wondering when that was.

Pre Stormblood

[Elizasylen]

That’s longer than i initially thought. Well i guess just gotta spam glare harder.

[GoatOfWar]

That’s longer than i initially thought. Well i guess just gotta spam glare harder.

No, just quit healing like i did. Nobody can force you to smash the same button with your forehead over and over again until drool rolls down your face.

[Rithy255]

It was one of their many excuses not to give healers a damage rotation. They want the role to be as easy as humanly possible in hopes to attract more players. They expect you to smash your forehead on your one damage button until the boss dies, but openly admitting so while also not giving you meaningful healing checks would make them look bad.

It's not like healers need some super complex rotation, I just on a healer want something basic to keep up with, maybe a few procs a small rotation like I don't get how that ruins healers at all (people say that for some reason).
Even adding a small rotation to Sage or something would go a mile for healer job design and variation.

Sure it's called a "healer" but it's not like you have the tank spam riot blade and turn on stance, they generally have more simple to digest rotations compared to most DPS (Excluding current PLD, jobs kinda wacky but the most interesting tank), obviously tanks don't have to focus on support as much as healers but it doesn't mean they deserve one button and a dot. I just want a bit more thought into design

Another argument is that:
"it only effects casuals, healer is hard!" while healers might be "harder" it doesn't mean adding a few extra spicy buttons to a healer will make the job unplayable or super difficult.
also casuals should be took into account at least in my opinion, teaching healers that they're the 1 button job with a dot makes a lot of healers switch jobs lol.


Some people enjoy current "healer design" that's fine, I just don't and I don't think one button spam appeals to everyone, and maybe they should consider just adding a little more to healers, remove pointless stuff like cure 1 too plz, make it a upgrade trait.

[Nezerius]

Yeah, i realized that much i was just wondering when that was.

Afaik, the only time they spoke about this was during an interview that took place around the Heavensward media tour. The gist of it being that healer dps was essentially extra dps for world first raiders to make up for doing the content in gear with a lower item level than it was tuned to.
Here's the forum thread that specifically goes over this answer, including a link to the full interview: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/236992