RIP SAM - no reverts planned for 6.2

[Stasya]

DPS mains learn what healers have routinely been subjected to since 4.5

Trying to explain to a DPS main that healers basically went from 6.0 BLM to 6.0 MCH in terms of how much they regressed and that all healers were given the same treatment so you don’t have a choice and you just see the horror finally dawn in their eyes

What to learn? One of the reasons i didnt go healer is because 1) zero buttons to press (and still i have saw awful healers who cant do more than 2k dps in almost bis in current savage and don't deserve to be in savage in first place) 2) no way to adjust party frame officially = i wont bother with heals. And btw i think you should have said 6.0 SMN because as MCH atleast you press more than same 2 buttons.

Surprising that SE started killing dps classes. Samurai with auto crit and 6.2 will start homogenization of crit buffs leading to complete removal of them as crit buffs or just straight critical damage CAUSE MUH VARIANCE BAD

[CelestiCer]

DPS mains learn what healers have routinely been subjected to since 4.5

Trying to explain to a DPS main that healers basically went from 6.0 BLM to 6.0 MCH in terms of how much they regressed and that all healers were given the same treatment so you don’t have a choice and you just see the horror finally dawn in their eyes

And explaining to snarky FFXIV Healer mains, that this isn't exactly new practice in other Existing/Previous MMO's for years is a " horror that will never dawn their eyes ".

I assume for them think healers are the only once in MMO history to be " subjected " to flawed changes and/or neglectful class designs. Believe it or not? not everyone has played FFXIV for years, like me... arrived here at the end of ShB expansion from other MMO's? Who won't know every negative change of every job in FFXIV history. I wasn't as interested in all of it due to being caught off by the supposedly star-sparkling community, until some snob-healer mains decided to write their what seems to be the " 32nd Healer post " I am reading " On again a Samurai thread - IN THE DPS SECTION ". Though I might have missed a few posts and I am honestly losing count at this point...

Although if you think the best practice is to have players pin themselves against each other, rather then having negative feedback actually reaching the tone-deaf dev's? or this your way of pulling other players who are passionate about other roles and jobs to your cause? Then you're definitely the embodiment of " history repeating itself ", if you have not seen it in other mmo's.

Though I humbly thank you for your... your... well whatever fecal matter you wrote and will continue to discharge over the forums.

[Supersnow845]

And explaining to snarky FFXIV Healer mains, that this isn't exactly new practice in other Existing/Previous MMO's for years is a " horror that will never dawn their eyes ".

I assume for them think healers are the only once in MMO history to be " subjected " to flawed changes and/or neglectful class designs. Believe it or not? not everyone has played FFXIV for years, like me... arrived here at the end of ShB expansion from other MMO's? Who won't know every negative change of every job in FFXIV history. I wasn't as interested in all of it due to being caught off by the supposedly star-sparkling community, until some snob-healer mains decided to write their what seems to be the " 32nd Healer post " I am reading " On again a Samurai thread - IN THE DPS SECTION ". Though I might have missed a few posts and I am honestly losing count at this point...

Although if you think the best practice is to have players pin themselves against each other, rather then having negative feedback actually reaching the tone-deaf dev's? or this your way of pulling other players who are passionate about other roles and jobs to your cause? Then you're definitely the embodiment of " history repeating itself ", if you have not seen it in other mmo's.

Though I humbly thank you for your... your... well whatever fecal matter you wrote and will continue to discharge over the forums.

So if I started 14 after Kaiten’s removal then I’d be allowed to come here and shit all over your annoyance at Kaiten being removed because I wasn’t here for when it did exist, what kind of horribly flawed logic is that.

I empathise with how Kaiten removal ruined SAM, and it’s something that we have been over here experiencing for years, I’m sure you would be happy if someone said “well yeah but I never played with Kaiten and SAM is fine move on loser”, no if your job is a mess you discuss it, and since the devs have seemed to just block out the healer forums at this point let’s move to the other forums, job design in this game is going down the drain, being outraged at me won’t get you Kaiten back

And if you have this big of a conniption every time someone goes off topic oh boy not sure how you haven’t had an aneurysm yet

[CelestiCer]

So if I started 14 after Kaiten’s removal then I’d be allowed to come here and shit all over your annoyance at Kaiten being removed because I wasn’t here for when it did exist, what kind of horribly flawed logic is that.

Oh-ho-ho here's the difference and pay attention carefully... I play Samurai, main Samurai, thus...

• My feedback goes in Samurai threads
• My feedback written in Samurai threads
• All in the DPS section

Now I don't go to the Healer section to complain about Samurai or throw in Samurai changes in there as a probably irrelevant argument point (Edit: In a very snarky, snobby, pompous, veterancy-imposing, belittling manner, ) or my 2 cents of thoughts cause it's Samurai related, not Healer related.

You can look through my history, I have not posted a single post in the healer section about Samurai. Unlike what you guys are doing nonstop throughout a lot of Samurai posts on the DPS section btw in Samurai threads about healers.

Is what SE is doing terrible to healer mains? probably? But, I am not here to discuss it none of us here are " it's a Samurai thread " again as a friendly reminder for the once affected by brain-downtime stillness, on the " DPS Section ".

And don't you worry, I am by now experienced at your kind to read our posts and it having a laxative affect on our threads while calling whatever comes out of that hole " more logical ".

[Supersnow845]

Oh-ho-ho here's the difference and pay attention carefully... I play Samurai, main Samurai, thus...

• My feedback goes in Samurai threads
• My feedback written in Samurai threads
• All in the DPS section

Now I don't go to the Healer section to complain about Samurai or throw in Samurai changes in there as a probably irrelevant argument point (Edit: In a very snarky, snobby, pompous, veterancy-imposing, belittling manner, ) or my 2 cents of thoughts cause it's Samurai related, not Healer related.

You can look through my history, I have not posted a single post in the healer section about Samurai. Unlike what you guys are doing nonstop throughout a lot of Samurai posts on the DPS section btw in Samurai threads about healers.

Is what SE is doing terrible to healer mains? probably? But, I am not here to discuss it none of us here are " it's a Samurai thread " again as a friendly reminder for the once affected by brain-downtime stillness, on the " DPS Section ".

And don't you worry, I am by now experienced at your kind to read our posts and it having a laxative affect on our threads while calling whatever comes out of that hole " more logical ".

No instead of posting on other threads you just make 10,000 threads all complaining about the exact same thing which is just so much better regardless of your weird fixation on fecal matter

How many please bring back Kaiten threads does this make

[CelestiCer]

No instead of posting on other threads you just make 10,000 threads all complaining about the exact same thing which is just so much better regardless of your weird fixation on fecal matter

How many please bring back Kaiten threads does this make

Don't know what hole you pulled 10.000 threads out of, but a more accurate estimate? as of 6.1 Patch negative Samurai changes ( give or take )

• 145 anti 6.1 Samurai threads
• 9 Youtube feedback and satire videos
• 180 extra pages on SAM mega-thread on the JP forums

And PS: I started 3 threads I guess 3 threads to many I am so sorry

JP's MegaThread method seems to not do the trick. Due to cultural differences we post threads. And plenty Samurai's are new to the forums voicing their concerns as a new poster not reading the entire forum before posting which I won't expect of anyone to do btw, yet still? in the DPS section.

So your logic? We voice feedback, wrong! no matter how we do it contained in the DPS section, it's wrong. But you posting outside the healer section about healers is alright outrage? It's totally fine as long as your outrage? can be posted anywhere, but we can't do it within our DPS section contained in Samurai threads how we please , really?

Huh, seems like you threw the " Window " out the " Logic ", cause right there, contradiction...

[Supersnow845]

Don't know what hole you pulled 10.000 threads out of, but a more accurate estimate? as of 6.1 Patch negative Samurai changes ( give or take )

• 145 anti 6.1 Samurai threads
• 9 Youtube feedback and satire videos
• 180 extra pages on SAM mega-thread on the JP forums

And PS: I started 3 threads I guess 3 threads to many I am so sorry

JP's MegaThread method seems to not do the trick. Due to cultural differences we post threads. And plenty Samurai's are new to the forums voicing their concerns as a new poster not reading the entire forum before posting which I won't expect of anyone to do btw, yet still? in the DPS section.

So your logic? We voice feedback, wrong! no matter how we do it contained in the DPS section, it's wrong. But you posting outside the healer section about healers is alright outrage? It's totally fine as long as your outrage? can be posted anywhere, but we can't do it within our DPS section contained in Samurai threads how we please , really?

Huh, seems like you threw the " Window " out the " Logic ", cause right there, contradiction...

No you just seem to care way too much about what section things are posted in, but then again since you can’t seem to tell 10,000 is a common and known exaggeration I’m not sure what to believe anymore

I don’t care where you post things, nobody looks via thread type anyway we all just look at what’s on the most updated section of the English forums, if you are this anal about posting outside of where the archaic forum directives say then sure I’ll stop posting about healers on a SAM forum, like I said I don’t really care I just like discussion, maybe I direct it too much towards healers, personal flaw of mine I’ll fully admit that

I seriously think you need to calm down a bit though, the fact you have a compiled list on the number of Kaiten complaint threads and videos and it’s also your banner seems to indicate you might have an unhealthy obsession with this, like sure I complain about healers a lot but I don’t have a list of every time someone complained on the forums about healers

Anyway have fun with discussion forum number 146, I already have my thoughts on Kaiten in an earlier comment, I empathise with you but otherwise…..eh like I said I just don’t care enough about the “forum directives” to continue a screaming match about content on a random thread, take that as a victory if you want, you can say you purged me from this thread, again I just don’t really care

[xAFROx]

Hey, if y'all wanna talk about general job and game design changes while still in the dps forums, a thread already encouraged any role/job to speak out.

Link here:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/459360

[Deo14]

No you just seem to care way too much about what section things are posted in, but then again since you can’t seem to tell 10,000 is a common and known exaggeration I’m not sure what to believe anymore

I don’t care where you post things, nobody looks via thread type anyway we all just look at what’s on the most updated section of the English forums, if you are this anal about posting outside of where the archaic forum directives say then sure I’ll stop posting about healers on a SAM forum, like I said I don’t really care I just like discussion, maybe I direct it too much towards healers, personal flaw of mine I’ll fully admit that

I seriously think you need to calm down a bit though, the fact you have a compiled list on the number of Kaiten complaint threads and videos and it’s also your banner seems to indicate you might have an unhealthy obsession with this, like sure I complain about healers a lot but I don’t have a list of every time someone complained on the forums about healers

Anyway have fun with discussion forum number 146, I already have my thoughts on Kaiten in an earlier comment, I empathise with you but otherwise…..eh like I said I just don’t care enough about the “forum directives” to continue a screaming match about content on a random thread, take that as a victory if you want, you can say you purged me from this thread, again I just don’t really care

TL;DR : I lost discussion and ran out arguments, but it doesn't matter to me since I definitely don't care about this at all. Now let me dish out some unprovoked personal attacks: Being passionate about something is basically just unhealthy obsession, even though I do exactly the same, except that I don't bother compiling it into easy to navigate list, therefore this doesn't apply to me.

[Ceridwen]

Is the healer forum THAT hard to find?