Healers need an overhaul

[Rilifane]

If anything you want to give Protect to one set of healers (i.e. Regen) and Shell to the other (Barrier) to incentivize bringing one of each

I think the split nonsense needs to go.
Pure healers are currently basically shield healers without the good stuff (mit, free shields) while shield healers drown in regens and bring burst heals on top of mit and free shields. They didn't properly split the healers, they just made half of them straight up better. They either need to redesign the toolkits on a fundamental level to properly reflect the type or scrape their whole attempt at splitting healers into subroles. But since they want to make sure that even little Timmy who prefers to watch Netflix on his 2nd monitor needs to be able to easily spam all HP bars to full no matter which class he choses, you'll not see shield healers having a proper weakness - so they just ended up as "pure healer but better".

Screw the split, give AST and WHM proper mitigation tools and let people play whichever comp they want without arbitrary healer splits.
"You'll need one of each" my ass. SGE/ SCH is cheat mode starting at min ilvl while AST/ WHM struggles outside parties that mitigate extremely well and bring decent gear.

[Deceptus]

I think the split nonsense needs to go.
Pure healers are currently basically shield healers without the good stuff (mit, free shields) while shield healers drown in regens and bring burst heals on top of mit and free shields. They didn't properly split the healers, they just made half of them straight up better. They either need to redesign the toolkits on a fundamental level to properly reflect the type or scrape their whole attempt at splitting healers into subroles. But since they want to make sure that even little Timmy who prefers to watch Netflix on his 2nd monitor needs to be able to easily spam all HP bars to full no matter which class he choses, you'll not see shield healers having a proper weakness - so they just ended up as "pure healer but better".

Screw the split, give AST and WHM proper mitigation tools and let people play whichever comp they want without arbitrary healer splits.
"You'll need one of each" my ass. SGE/ SCH is cheat mode starting at min ilvl while AST/ WHM struggles outside parties that mitigate extremely well and bring decent gear.

I largely agree with you, and there is precedent to ignore / revert the split (they wanted dedicated MT / OT jobs and we all saw how that went), but for now the devs are set on the healer split.

To be honest I'd give Shell and Protect to WHM, give AST Noct sect again and drop the whole Shield/Barrier healer nonsense.

AST's dual role nature caused problems since the day it was implemented. The Devs can barely manage to balance healers as it is and you want them to touch AST again after what they did to the cards?

[Recon1o6]

I largely agree with you, and there is precedent to ignore / revert the split (they wanted dedicated MT / OT jobs and we all saw how that went), but for now the devs are set on the healer split.

AST's dual role nature caused problems since the day it was implemented. The Devs can barely manage to balance healers as it is and you want them to touch AST again after what they did to the cards?

The split nonsense does indeed need to go. Artificially limitating them to regen/barrier has caused too much trouble

Once again though I will remind you noct ast did not cause problems, its the dev attitude towards it that caused problems such as being unable to stack its shields and anti synergy. In addition it was a unique healer style for a time while diurnal was just a whm clone.

Making noct ast equal to diurnal would have helped a lot. But we know the devs don't give a shit about healers most of the time

[Deceptus]

The split nonsense does indeed need to go. Artificially limitating them to regen/barrier has caused too much trouble

Once again though I will remind you noct ast did not cause problems, its the dev attitude towards it that caused problems such as being unable to stack its shields and anti synergy. In addition it was a unique healer style for a time while diurnal was just a whm clone.

Making noct ast equal to diurnal would have helped a lot. But we know the devs don't give a shit about healers most of the time

Noct absolutely did cause issues when it was implemented early. It's heals where stronger than SCH's (potency wise), were instant, and didn't stack with SCH. Early on, they basically made SCH irrelevant.

They were nerfed due to those facts. The issue after the nerf was, they were too weak and their cards didn't make up for the gap in healing (this was when healing was actually a thing before the max dps meta)

[ForteNightshade]

AST's dual role nature caused problems since the day it was implemented. The Devs can barely manage to balance healers as it is and you want them to touch AST again after what they did to the cards?

I mean, they're already planning to do a rework of Astro. Giving it Noct to serve as a Protect/Shell equivalent would be fine.

[Hyperia]

Also your dps uptime isn't 96%, I notice your static uses logs, so to see uptime you need to plug those into https://xivanalysis.com/

Sigh... voice my opinion and FFLogs is tossed at me...

Airight... I'll go back to lurking and keep my head down, I'll let the 96%+ DPS up time people talk.

[ty_taurus]

Sigh... voice my opinion and FFLogs is tossed at me...

Airight... I'll go back to lurking and keep my head down, I'll let the 96%+ DPS up time people talk.

Well that just broke my heart.

[MintnHoney]

Sigh... voice my opinion and FFLogs is tossed at me...

Airight... I'll go back to lurking and keep my head down, I'll let the 96%+ DPS up time people talk.

I can't exactly speak for Liam, but I doubt that they meant anything harmful or to invalidate you (considering that, prior to that, they had actually chosen to go through each of your post's discussion points). If anything, you could have ignored that part and just chosen to continue in the discussion anyway, and just chosen to talk about the other 3/4ths of his reply to your post.

That's what I'd do. I barely heal anymore, and when I do, it's barely coherent since I just don't care (and we still succeed, go figure, haha~). That doesn't mean I'm not going to send messages to Square Enix on a weekly basis reminding them that healing is a boring chore and that this bleeding of healing veterans won't cease until it no longer is.

[Maltothoris]

So here was something found on the reddit ffxiv discussion. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...ts_on_nerfing/

Again just kind of echoing obstacles in the way of some people trying to play healer.

[Zebraoracle]

As much as I hate comparing 14 to WoW, WoW did a good job of providing a variety of playstyles for healers. Some are similar, but no two are exactly alike. The nonsense that has been designed around the four healers now is shameful in comparison, and like a previous poster said, the "split" isn't even a split considering how many regens SCH and SGE have. And as it is, SCH and SGE are pretty much the exact same job, just SGE has less jank and SCH is flat out better. I love 14, I really do. But I really hope a better MMO comes along sometime soon that handles healers appropriately.