Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[Lyth]

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Jobs have been balanced around rdps for a few expansions now, so that is a non-issue. On Endwalker’s launch SAM was consistently leading in terms of rdps. After players complained about how ‘complex’ jobs didn’t have enough of an rdps advantage over ‘simple’ ones, we gradually moved to where we are now. Which is ironic, really.

The reason why the discussion around ‘complexity’ is flawed is because your awareness of a job’s nuances depends on your level of game experience. Someone who doesn’t spend a lot of time in raid content and plays a job that doesn’t bring its own raid buffs isn’t going to have much awareness around when to offload their pooled resources. So if you give them a job like RPR, they’ll press buttons as they light up like they do on their main job and then dismiss it as easy, blissfully unaware of how bad they are at it.

But I also think that this is a mark of good job design. You can play freestyle when you’re just starting out and are just learning the basics of the game, and if you want to improve your performance by pooling your resources and correctly setting up burst windows with double/triple Enshrouds, you can. It’s great seeing perceptions around a new job gradually change as people start to actually understand and refine their gameplay around it.

Players rarely admit to underperforming. If they’re good at a job that they main it’s ‘complex’, if they don’t it’s a ‘design flaw’. If you actually want to assess job difficulty, you’re better off looking at the IQR, which is a robust statistical measure of spread. That shows you how much variation in performance exists within that specific job. Ideally, all jobs within a specific role should have a similar IQR. Which is true for every role outside of caster dps, really.

[CelestiCer]

The ' Complexity ' argument is so... it only applies if the execution requirement is to difficult for most players which newsflash, during 6.08 or any time we had Kaiten? it didn't stood in the way of Samurai's clearing any Content at any difficulty.

• Did people complain about Kaiten when we had Kaiten? No
• Did people requested Kaiten to be removed? No
• Did people even requested any of the other negative changes from 6.1? No

It literally dumbed Samurai down further, there's no beating around the bush with it. The promise of something new from SE is as empty as the feedback they would respond to. This argument is also overused that I tend to read often...

It's like the repair man punching a hole in my roof and saying " yeah we'll replace it with something new in 6 months or 1 year or so. " And when we even dare to request what that new is or even why that hole was punched in our roof in the 1st place cause it didn't fix anything? we get no response, while being told by our neighbors " It's the norm/It's for balance/it's totally oke ", Amazing logic...

[Vencio]

No but I am & some others decided to go with the flow with it nonetheless.

[Roxus]

Hey thanks for bumping my thread, unfortunately a lot of people can't see what you write! Don't think I missed anything important though so all good~

Lyth, every time I see your posts I just end up confused because I don't know what the hell you're trying to argue for. There's no need to reply though, I'm not interested.



I hope everyone remembers that they asked for feedback and completely ignored it, so when they go after the rest of the jobs as planned next expansion, you know what you have been paying and supporting. I'm personally done with 14 and I've had a good 12 years. Hope others can get the same level of enjoyment I used to get, it's just not for me anymore though. I'll be dedicating less time and eventually moving on to other games and activities.

[Mortex]

No but I am & some others decided to go with the flow with it nonetheless.

I’m curious. I’m not gonna go through all the post you made because I don’t wanna be a stalker and I don’t even have the time for that. But why exactly do you find the removal of kaiten to be a good change and the swap from pressing kaiten to shinten better. I mean a button is a button but kaiten had at least some thought behind it, but ere ahi tennis just press and forget.

[Mortex]

Sry autocorrect on handy. I’m In the holidays and I don’t have a pc here for editing The last sentence was “shinten is a button you press and forget” .

[Vencio]

Sry autocorrect on handy. I’m In the holidays and I don’t have a pc here for editing The last sentence was “shinten is a button you press and forget” .

Thankfully someone asked me a direct but civil question without hostility!

That’s alright, I am no stranger in being looked upon as Celes, Rensu & other’s had in the re-attempts to ….”enlighten me”.

I will reiterate the same answer asI had previously,

I had no quarrel with Kaiten to be frank long before 6.1 & it did provided a substantial dps boost which truly shined the job itself. Like everyone else, I too was taken off guard at the sudden 6.1 change & though it took me but couple weeks to overcome such radical change I ultimately decided to move on forward as job changes isn’t any stranger all the same.

Kaiten was never the issue, rather I sought & still do advocate for the pruning of abilities & merge other’s as PvP is a great inspiration of this or so I embrace it. Kaiten’s absence overall hardly affected me & I am seeing SE’s possible vision to follow likewise for every job as well.

You see, personally I don’t do savage nor hard core content & I value immersion of the world around me along with spatial awareness just about right rather than focus on the complexity of abilities hoarding all over the hotbar screen & that irritates me.

I believe the job still retains at its greatest & shouldn’t be deemed “dead” as others claim it to be & its natural some praise or dislike the changes but a change is a moving process we’ve all have to adapt regardless rather than stay stagnant.

As for my “unusual behaviours/expressions” as I am not looking to justify them I just did it in response of being an immediate target which enticed majority of the SAM players to set the “first flames” to deemed me as though I am trolling or are incompetent with the game altogether (of course majority of them being elites I presume).

In truth, I wish this post & other’s related would be locked down inmediate & just wither away.

PS: I hope this answer will suffice

[Kaseladen]

I thought I heard an echo but alas

Thanks for the bump though

[Deithwen]

Looks like Vencio farted with his mouth again.
I don't know what he said though. But it can't be good anyway.

[Runeslayer]

I feel for you Samurai mains.
While it's not my main class, I have an alt that has nothing but SAM and a filler class used to unlock SAM on it. I can't bring myself to like the changes, the job just feels worse because of it across board.

Clearly the devs are looking primarily at the numbers-- people still clinging to SAM will give them skewed data that everything's fine. Honestly the responses from Yoshi P, or lack thereof, have been rather disgusting. They couldn't come clean twice as they opted for excuses before giving an ok reason for the changes, and even then they could at least have had the decency to add something to the job to compensate for its loss.
They did not, they hope the bells and whistles of MSQ and island sanctuary will distract from all the baffling class changes.