Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[Runeslayer]

As in you can play with the changes and have done so, and your muscle memory refuses to let you go back because you've already become accustomed to the butchered job. That is an actual argument people use against going back to 6.08. (And it's a horrible one)

Yeah no, it feels terrible still and I have been on and off my SAM alt because I don't want to inflate the numbers and contribute to a false indication that 'see? people are still playing the job, that means it's fine' or some other stupid metric the devs might use to excuse away their blunder.

[BRVV]

As in you can play with the changes and have done so, and your muscle memory refuses to let you go back because you've already become accustomed to the butchered job. That is an actual argument people use against going back to 6.08. (And it's a horrible one)

People use this as an argument? What about the people who muscle memoried the old skills? By that logic you can never change anything

[AsiTsurugi]

As in you can play with the changes and have done so, and your muscle memory refuses to let you go back because you've already become accustomed to the butchered job. That is an actual argument people use against going back to 6.08. (And it's a horrible one)

The flaw with that argument is that no one can possibly adjust to the new "kit" at all ever. Because muscle memory is so used to having Kaiten that you cannot press anything and you just constantly let Kenki overlow. So I guess they are supporting going back to 6.08 SAM?

Also it is hilarious that Yoshida thought throwing in meaningless terms like "weave bloat" will sway us when things like DRK exist untouched. Almost like the "devs" think most of us are as lobotomized as they wish we are.

[xAFROx]

As in you can play with the changes and have done so, and your muscle memory refuses to let you go back because you've already become accustomed to the butchered job. That is an actual argument people use against going back to 6.08. (And it's a horrible one)

Oh, definitely not. People can adapt, and I imagine it'd be far easier for folks to readjust to a reversion with kaiten given hoe ingrained it was already before the changes.

I'm one of the fools keeping the [?] button on my bar so that I don't have to change anything back when/if Kaiten is returned.

I can adapt, well enough, but that doesn't mean I like it, nor that I'm used to it, far from it. If I'm still staring at my bar more than half the time of an encounter, there's a problem.

[AndreasSolaria]

And we gonna have to wait the next live letter to see if they gonna fix or revert..
Guys i really spend my time farm bis, trying to teach new players how to play. My indentity is sam
Samurai was good and close to perfect on 6.0 the rotations was awsome, really feel the impact some skills.
6.1 kaiten removal is 100% bs
The aoe like tenkka gouken need buff potency
And need new skill or ability to make kenki more useful than shinten span button (gods i started to hate this new rotation)
Samurai still good? Yes
Yoshi p if you care about your playerbase read this thread you gonna see many people who loves the job, who spend time and effort to play and teach anothers, feeling sad with this changes.. in this time i gonna play as reaper or dragoon.

[ShanaShirayuki]

The majority of players on the JP forums do seem to think the changes were bad.

I highly recommend checking things out for yourself. Use DeepL translator and just copy/paste to your hearts content:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forums/551-DPS

Search the forums for the thread titled 侍スレ using your in-browser search function.

Here's the DeepL translation of one of the more energetic responders to the thread who's also a new forum poster it seems, from the Masamune server:

Personally I think the first three sentences say it all; bring back 6.08 cause current SAM is boring and fixed criticals suck.

At this point, an explanation is what all of us expect. They asked for feedback and the radio silence in regards to our feedback is disconcerting to say the least.

That SAM player from Masamune hit the nail on the head; it's not only just the SAM changes that are concerning, but rather the dull direction of PvE combat as a whole. I've seen this sentiment here as well. Thank you by the way for telling me about this translator.

[Hezhi]

Neutering kenki management has considerably dulled this job for me. You used to have to pay attention to kenki to be able to Kaiten before every iaijutsu. Now you just mash Shinten.
If button bloat is an issue then they should have merged Ikishoten with Ogi Namikiri or given Shoha cleave damage instead of making it I / II. Instead they went ahead and removed an ability so important to SAM's core design that they had to adjust pretty much every single other action this job had. Have you considered how crazy that this?

I would love to see a revert. A more realistic case would be SE adding a new kenki dump next expansion 2 years from now to make kenki management more interesting. My expectations are very low however, considering the recent history of SE doing very poor choices with job design and choosing to balance jobs around an imaginary audience of people who would like jobs to be easier overall.

[Deithwen]

Neutering kenki management has considerably dulled this job for me. You used to have to pay attention to kenki to be able to Kaiten before every iaijutsu. Now you just mash Shinten.
If button bloat is an issue then they should have merged Ikishoten with Ogi Namikiri or given Shoha cleave damage instead of making it I / II. Instead they went ahead and removed an ability so important to SAM's core design that they had to adjust pretty much every single other action this job had. Have you considered how crazy that this?

I would love to see a revert. A more realistic case would be SE adding a new kenki dump next expansion 2 years from now to make kenki management more interesting. My expectations are very low however, considering the recent history of SE doing very poor choices with job design and choosing to balance jobs around an imaginary audience of people who would like jobs to be easier overall.

The job has become so uninteresting and gutted I just can't believe they didn't realise how huge of an impact their changes would be. I'm just baffled by their complete incompetence.

[Roxus]

Hi folks. Just a small update here. Many are just fed up waiting and are voicing they want to go back to 6.08. And if the developers don't want to, to explain why they are ignoring the large amount of feedback worldwide. Everything that needs to be said has been said, but people don't want the issue to die. Personally I'm considering joining healers in using the "Leave a Suggestion" button ingame to start sending feedback (in addition to the forums and twitter). I'm tired of the silence. Oh btw people in General are starting to bleed into the conversation, I just removed a passive aggressive tag from this thread's tags because the CMs can't be bothered to moderate. People in General apparently do that to mock other people's issues. Can't be bothered to actually read the feedback and criticism people have but have enough time to try and leave some really petty messages like some middle school children.

[AsiTsurugi]

Hi folks. Just a small update here. Many are just fed up waiting and are voicing they want to go back to 6.08. And if the developers don't want to, to explain why they are ignoring the large amount of feedback worldwide. Everything that needs to be said has been said, but people don't want the issue to die. Personally I'm considering joining healers in using the "Leave a Suggestion" button ingame to start sending feedback (in addition to the forums and twitter). I'm tired of the silence. Oh btw people in General are starting to bleed into the conversation, I just removed a passive aggressive tag from this thread's tags because the CMs can't be bothered to moderate. People in General apparently do that to mock other people's issues. Can't be bothered to actually read the feedback and criticism people have but have enough time to try and leave some really petty messages like some middle school children.

I have just stopped caring honestly. If the devs want to sit on a high horse and act like they know how gameplay works better than the people that play the game, they can do that. Players can also just leave when they start feeling that the devs are actively disrespecting them. I have been considering leaving this game for good for the past few days, but commitment to the current static is causing me to hesitate. So once my group clears DSR, and the devs still continue pretending they are superior and continue this trend of disrespecting their players, I am gone.

Also people in General have bigger issues to worry about, like getting banned for their ERP party finder listings. I think they should focus on that instead of mocking others. Throwing stones from inside a glass house and all that.