On the topic of DRG being busy and button bloat.

[LauraAdalena]

I feel like (and I say this with no intention of insult at all) you feel that way because you don't necessarily understand what the change did outside of being able to press the same button twice.

Do you typically do High Jump AND Mirage Dive between GCDs already? Is there ever an instance where you would hold onto Mirage Dive (i.e. you have 2 eyes for life of the dragon already and want to wait until you go into it before doing mirage dive again)?

I was talking about being able to double weave jumps. I don’t know what you’re on, that’s a minor QOL change if anything and barely affects job flow.

[Aco505]

Personally I would be happy if they reordered the combo actions for drg, or just did away with fang and claw and give us pentathrust instead. Part of my complaint with the system is despite it being longer strings than other roles, the last two hits are boring. Akin to punching someone hard in the face and knocking them down (Heavens' Thrust) then tickling them with silly little nonsense. (fang and claw into wheeling thrust, and vice versa).

Actually, due to how often we use them, our positionals are at the top of our damaging attacks. Combined in a 10 GCD string, they amount for 1400 potency, which is a lot! I'd say they hit hard enough, plus they keep the rotation interesting despite it being fixed due to both positionals going one after the other, making us move all the time. DRG is just not a job that has big hits concentrated into specific buttons (and it's better that it stays that way imho to avoid relying on getting that specific attack to crit) because of our oGCDs: where a NIN uses a 1300 potency Hyosho, we use a Life Surged Heavens' Thrust with a Stardiver or Nastrond/Wyrmwind thrust double-weave.

Dragonfire dive is boring as well. Make it do more than just be a button I have to remember to push every 2 minutes. Make it combo into another stardiver or something, or make the next stardiver a super stardiver (akin to the one Estinien uses in the EW intro video). Adjust potencies as needed. Otherwise, aside from its aesthetic, it suffers from the same things dream within a dream and hissatsu senei do. Just buttons you push when they're off CD for something pretty. I'd also propose giving dream/senei other functions so they're less forgettable as well, but that's for other threads.

Absolutely! DFD should, at least, hit harder. It's a 120s cooldown, so it should either do that or provide us with something!

In any case, I don't think it's bad for stuff like DFD, DWD and Senei to exist the way they are now. They add extra oomph to burst windows and the interaction is to fit them within buffs, which is a role in itself. I don't think it's bad for some cooldowns to just deal damage, as long as they're not an overwhelming majority, because if we start removing attacks with a cooldown that just deal damage then we will find that many jobs will feel skeletal. DRG only really has one of this, DFD, with SPD being similar in a way, but with a little bit of nuance due to the charges.

Tuning DFD would make our oGCDs perfect in that regard, Dragon Sight notwithstanding.


On another note, I have noticed in other threads that people have been commenting the JP community's feedback on SAM, NIN and other topics.

Does anyone know what they say of DRG regarding the 6.1 patch and the 6.2 planned changes?

[Theodric_Thorne]

Speaking as someone who is currently leveling DRG, the only change I want to see made is moving around some of the ability and trait acquisition levels. If veteran DRG mains don't want more changes, then I defer to their wisdom and support that position. But I think the job would benefit from feeling more complete at level 50, as SAM does. I'm at 56 and there's no job gauge, no AoE combos, nothing.

[Aco505]

Speaking as someone who is currently leveling DRG, the only change I want to see made is moving around some of the ability and trait acquisition levels. If veteran DRG mains don't want more changes, then I defer to their wisdom and support that position. But I think the job would benefit from feeling more complete at level 50, as SAM does. I'm at 56 and there's no job gauge, no AoE combos, nothing.

Yes, DRG (and other ARR jobs) need an overhaul in the order their actions are learned. It's quite ironic that DRG is one of the jobs with the best AoE in the game, yet our first AoE weaponskill is learned at 40, and the second one at 62, which is also the one that grants Power Surge so before that level you need to use Disembowel first before AoEing, just like in ShB.

DRG is fine at level 50, you mostly try to fit your oGCDs during Lance Charge and since it happens every 60s, you do it often.

Levels 51-60 introduce positionals, Litany and Geirskogul. You mostly do the same as 50, but with extra buttons.

It is at level 70 when DRG feels like how it's played at 90, just with less oGCDs.

But yeah, the job is simply less enjoyable below level 70 because it gets all the good stuff later. It's okay at 50 and beyond but it should get the MNK treatment in this regard, where you get most of your basic kit at 50 and then it slowly builds up every 10 levels.

[Aco505]

The 6.11 patch has added a grace period of 1 second before MD can be used to avoid the accidental double weaving.

However, this causes problems now because the double weaving of HJ + MD is only achievable with low ping, mostly like it was before the 6.1 animation lock reduction, which renders it kinda void in this scenario.

I have submitted a post in the bug forums in hopes that they will notice and do something about it (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...58#post5928458).

Does anyone know what they say of DRG regarding the 6.1 patch and the 6.2 planned changes?

I'm still interested in this if anyone knows!

Discussion about 6.2 and DRG has also happened on Reddit, in posts such as this one (https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus..._about_62_drg/).

Let's keep the feedback on DRG going in hopes that the job won't be stripped of its essence in 6.2, and that if they want to adjust it a lot, they should do so in 7.0 and with prior feedback from players to avoid what happened to SAM and NIN!

[Ruminous]

Actually, due to how often we use them, our positionals are at the top of our damaging attacks. Combined in a 10 GCD string, they amount for 1400 potency, which is a lot! I'd say they hit hard enough, plus they keep the rotation interesting despite it being fixed due to both positionals going one after the other, making us move all the time. DRG is just not a job that has big hits concentrated into specific buttons (and it's better that it stays that way imho to avoid relying on getting that specific attack to crit) because of our oGCDs: where a NIN uses a 1300 potency Hyosho, we use a Life Surged Heavens' Thrust with a Stardiver or Nastrond/Wyrmwind thrust double-weave.

My meaning is the ending strings for drg go from a hard punch to a light tickle. While the total potency of the entire string can be high, the fact that it hits a crescendo in the middle of the string is the problem. Fang and claw as an action, simply does not need to exist. It's just a sad excuse of a random action that was added in Heavensward alongside wheeling thrust, back when your 4th hit was a random finisher. I'd rather the 56 ability be a combo jump at the end of a string that hits for something. Reorder the potency a bit to make wheeling thrust hit harder in place of heavens' thrust...

Ah, I'm just spewing out ideas. Fang and Claw/Wheeling Thrust to me were poorly thought out abilities since their inception, lance mastery's introduction in Stormblood just made the actions be a bit more useable...But doesn't make them good. As for dragonfire dive, I'd love to see it be a combo action with stardiver, turning it into heavens' dive or something if they're going to just leave it in. I'm just nitpicky about the 56/58 abilities and it was one of the things that really turned me off of the job as time went on.

[Aco505]

My meaning is the ending strings for drg go from a hard punch to a light tickle. While the total potency of the entire string can be high, the fact that it hits a crescendo in the middle of the string is the problem.

DRG's potencies are kinda low overall. Even our strongest attack is "low" if we compare it to other jobs' strongest attacks, but I personally find that a good thing. If your potencies are more average but you get a lot of them, you're less likely to get RNG screwed with crits and the like, which is something that many other jobs with 1000+ potencies suffer from.

[LeonKeyh]

DRG's potencies are kinda low overall. Even our strongest attack is "low" if we compare it to other jobs' strongest attacks, but I personally find that a good thing. If your potencies are more average but you get a lot of them, you're less likely to get RNG screwed with crits and the like, which is something that many other jobs with 1000+ potencies suffer from.

Until they finish their campaign to autocrit anything higher than 1000 potency; Then DRG will be wanted in fewer groups for 2 reasons.

[Ruminous]

DRG's potencies are kinda low overall. Even our strongest attack is "low" if we compare it to other jobs' strongest attacks, but I personally find that a good thing. If your potencies are more average but you get a lot of them, you're less likely to get RNG screwed with crits and the like, which is something that many other jobs with 1000+ potencies suffer from.

If the overall potency of the string didn't change, that's fine. My thing is I don't like the string hitting its peak at the second/third hit then jumping off a cliff with the weaksauce Fang and Claw nonsense. So let's say, heavens' thrust did 360 potency and wheeling thrust at the end did 480 (or whatever the current potency of heavens' thrust is now, I forget if it's 460 or 480), then that's fine. When I am saying they should reorder the potencies of some attacks, that's what I mean, not frontload the potency into one GCD. Otherwise you hit samurai's problem of high potencies and crit (and that's a whole new can of worms that isn't a part of this thread.)

Again, to reiterate, make the string build to the payoff, not pay it off in the middle then make the end lame.

[Renalt]

Make it so combos switch to the next combo series like it does in PvP. The mechanic is there so why not use it?