FFXIV is super interesting BUT then why?

[Kitahrox]

I agree with your opinion it is not really necessary BUT there are how many PvE map SO why not one PvP map with a free pvp arena area and the rest allowed duel, strike dummies for training, pvp skill activated, and pvp points earned for those who control the arena for example, I may be exaggerating but I write this to the snatch without thinking about the rules to apply to it, it remains simply a productive suggestion for an introduction to free pvp in this game

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Let's see...

FFXIV is so incredibly popular that the company had to stop selling the game, DURING THE HOLIDAYS, because their servers were overloaded.

Seems to me like the whole idea of "improving PvP would be good to bring in more players" is completely unnecessary, considering they can barely handle the players they have that are focused on PvE.

Improving PvP isn't purely to "bring in more players", it's also to please the players who are already there and wish for a better PvP experience.

Plus, I'm personally grateful that this game isn't trying to cater more to PvP. In my experience, PvP usually results in the following:

"I like <game developer> not catering to <content I don't do>, therefore I am happy and I hope it stays this way" is a real nice way to say that you don't like other players to get something they like that you don't. If someone said that in respect to content you like, you'd be at least minorly vexed if not outright flipping tables over a statement as egoistic as this. But I digress.

- Creates more unneeded animosity between players
- Causes a ton more balancing issues between classes/jobs
- Requires a fair amount of time/energy/resources (that I would prefer going into making other improvements to the game)

1.) There wouldn't be "more unneeded animosity" than there already is, it is just that in PvP people tend to let their frustration speak loudly a lot of times - the issue is the player penting up anger in life in general or having a terrible attitude only really showing its' colours when confronted with competition or challenge.

2.) Literally how? It has it's own balancing system separate from PVE ever since patch 4.0 to make balancing jobs easier. Past balance iterations have not been as great, but the balancing issues currently present aren't nearly as glaring as they used to be, most if not all jobs are viable, it is just that currently the jobs are balanced around 4v4 FEAST, which likely will change with 6.1's 5v5 Crystal Conflict.

3.) If you truly think this, then you probably don't know how the FFXIV team works internally. They have separate branches for different content. The housing team for instance isn't handling what the raiding design team is doing, job balance and content creation is also most likely separating PVE and PVP. You aren't trading one piece of content for another here, you can have both. Yes it requires effort and resources, but it is content like any other and should receive support.

Naoki Yoshida even directly stated that they don't like players dragging PvP around like "why do you support this, this is bad", in his words it was roughly: "It is content just like raiding, dungeons and other things and thus it deserves to be supported and be played".

[Shibi]

Your Level 50 doesn't mean anything, everyone is upgraded to 90 in equal gear. At the datacentre level we all queue the same queue.

Make sure you have done this quest: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...t/60d4d077629/

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

PvP isn't in this game because the combat isn't suited for it. The GCDs are too long and there is no build variety with the jobs to make PvP viable. The PvP you have is janky as hell and there's no way to have it balanced to make it enjoyable the way you see in other games.

Have you actually pvped in FFXIV? According to your achievement unlocks, you have a rather small amount of PvP experience at least on that character. The GCDs being long doesn't really matter as we have plenty of abilities / oGCDs to fill between those and the time-to-kill is actually really fast in a more coordinated setting as The Feast or soon to be Crystal Conflict. What is janky indeed is the netcode for player positioning, but overall the pvp modes play actually pretty well from a technical standpoint.

And who knows, the pvp balance is something they have extensively discussed and been working on for patch 6.1.

[Baxcel]

The term MMORPG has been warped to the point that the original definition doesn't really hold up.

FFXIV, Black Desert, and Destiny 2 are all vastly different games but all are considered MMORPGs today.

Ff14 is an MMORPG
Black Desert is a MMOARPG (action role playing game)
Destiny is a MMOFPSRPG (first person shooter rpg)

You gotta remember the sub categories lol

[Baxcel]

Instead of having a simple area like the wolf lair where you have nothing to do in fact. .

Are.. are you sitting in the wolf's den waiting on pvp matches to pop?? If you are.. no wonder your bored.. play the dang game.. do some side quests don't sit around waiting for a queue.

[Krotoan]

Ff14 is an MMORPG
Black Desert is a MMOARPG (action role playing game)
Destiny is a MMOFPSRPG (first person shooter rpg)

You gotta remember the sub categories lol

The more it sounds like someone getting a firehose to the face, the less it's going to be like Everquest.

[Lexis]

The recurring argument in favor of more PvP-centric features so far essentially boils down to: It's necessary for the game's success. Where have you been for the past 8 years of this game being very much successful in its current state? And if that wasn't enough, they've had to stop game sales twice in the past couple of months due to a MASSIVE PLAYER INFLUX that they simply weren't equipped to handle. Where are you getting this idea that FFXIV cannot be successful unless it repackages itself as less of a PvE game and more of a PvP game?

And before the 'but it wouldn't hurt the PvE players' argument I keep seeing, that is also an erroneous way to approach things. The devs can only release so much content with their available resources. They've already had to cut down on the numbers of dungeons and whatnot to make room for other features. If they begin re-focusing on more PvP features, they need to cut down on PvE features. They can't just magic content out of thin air, developing stuff takes both time and money.

There are servers still struggling with long queues, the last thing we need is more players thrown into the mix to bog it down further for the sake of features most people here want nothing to do with.

[AnnRam]

Let's see...

FFXIV is so incredibly popular that the company had to stop selling the game, DURING THE HOLIDAYS, because their servers were overloaded.

Seems to me like the whole idea of "improving PvP would be good to bring in more players" is completely unnecessary, considering they can barely handle the players they have that are focused on PvE.

Plus, I'm personally grateful that this game isn't trying to cater more to PvP. In my experience, PvP usually results in the following:
- Creates more unneeded animosity between players
- Causes a ton more balancing issues between classes/jobs
- Requires a fair amount of time/energy/resources (that I would prefer going into making other improvements to the game)

Most people who bought the game stop playing after finish the MSQ or current patch (which takes less than 2 days) then there is literally nothing else to do in this game besides PVE(which its boring after doing the same dungeons/trials x 2304234 times) or use the game as a second life client (besides the RP scene here its probably the worst )

Also how PVP in FFXIV " Causes a ton more balancing issues between classes/jobs" when the PVP mode its played completely different than PVE?.

I don't even know why FC's (Guilds) even exists in first place in this game, I remember old games like RO/L2 were FC/Guild wars were super fun.

[Lunalepsy]

Uh oh! It's one of those threads!