Endwalker Main Scenario Commentary & Feedback

[Vyrerus]

Will do a write up later (not departed for the final zone yet) but there's one thing that has been bugging me

If the teleportation that zenos and fandango did at the end of the second dungeon could be redirected, why couldn't it be redirected out into empty space :P

Krile-S2 Limitations.

[Fenral]

If the teleportation that zenos and fandango did at the end of the second dungeon could be redirected, why couldn't it be redirected out into empty space :P

Maybe she did but underestimated Zenos' breaststroke?

[Iscah]

You know what would have been an excellent resolution to a side story problem if it could have been made canon?

Using Alexander to power the Ragnarok. Wake him up, get him to drop Mide and Dayan off in the past to complete their time loop, use up all of his aether before we resort to scavenging the Mothercrystal.

It would also provide an excellent excuse for any strange space-time anomalies like the lampshaded presence of the Ragnarok in both Labyrinthos and Ultima simultaneously.

Of course, there might still be future plans for something to happen with Alexander before Mide and Dayan escape from their eternal moment. Or the writers don't want to lose the option for it anyway.

And actually...

If we can siphon off the energy of the Mothercrystal by draining it into smaller primals, can't we unmake Alexander's core in the same way? Draw them out and destroy or repurpose them, Eden-style.

[Cleretic]

You know what would have been an excellent resolution to a side story problem if it could have been made canon?

I like the idea, although I do think it would've been nonviable.

Remember that Alexander is ultimately optional content, and if you never touch it, then to your story, Alexander barely exists. So if the solution to powering the ship is Alexander, but you haven't done Alexander... what do you even see, does it even work as a payoff?

That said, I did find Alexander as a story to be surprisingly thin on the ground in references, which was surprising to me for how popular it is. Personally, if I were doing a bit of a punch-up on the story, that'd actually be how I'd save the problem of Labyrinthos dragging; have the Illuminati recur as a minor foe to add some action to the proceedings. If there's any group that'd have some fun reasons to mess with a spaceship and/or artificial habitation, it'd be the Illuminati.

[Cilia]

Further thoughts

Anima being reduced to a dungeon boss was disappointing... but they kept her, or him in this instance, true to the spirit of the original while also twisting it around to fit Zenos' villainous intentions.

Zodiark is pretty damn ugly for the Ancients' "god / will of the star," but I love how they're faithfully recreating Amano's artwork for such big characters as him and Hydaelyn in 3D models.

The one part where the story dragged was Labyrinthos - the proper, second visit. "World's ending, better send a bunch of people on expeditions and manually ship stuff, over sea, while we philosophize with rabbit folk from the moon." It didn't bother me too much though, because the loporrits are both adorable and wise.

[Alleo]

About the last zone, the post MSQ dungeon and the side quests there

So I have finally finished all the side quests and done the two new LVL90 dungeons. And I am completely confused...

So in one dungeon we stopped the production of more weapons and after that we know plan to start a cafe in the last zone...

This is just something that I dont understand. Arent all of those beings in the last zone reconstructions of death people that Meteion met? Why do we fear the reproduction of more weapons if those robots are not even real or alive? Why would we built a cafe there?

Also the side quests made it feel like those are not just reconstructions but souls..yet Ysthola also mentioned in the main story that we fell for this act and that we should remember that they are not real.

Can someone explain this to me? @_@

About the role quest (Dancer)

I loved this one. Not only do we at least see Hien again but his actions with Yotsuyu do have consequences. I always could not believe how easily the people of Doma seemingly accepted that Tsuyu was able to run around after all Yotsuyu has done to the people. Seeing that they did harbor some very bad feelings towards their own king for that was great because you cant just get rid of all these negative feelings that fast.

Still I loved his idea at the end and cried some tears. The battle was awesome too and I loved the part Gosetsu played.

I cant help though to feel even worse when they pray for the souls to find rest...the WoL knows that there is nothing left...how much must that hurt?

About reaper

I just started that job and it just feels strange story wise. So we totally just made a contract with a voidsend and bascially collect souls to use as attacks...I know that we already did the souls part with the relic quests (which I also did not like) but we are going around using souls as batteries while we are also shocked that nothing is left of ones soul after turning into a beast...

I dont know if they explain it a bit more later but I just headcanon it now that we are only using some left overs of the souls and not the whole thing..otherwise we are just bascially destroying other peoples and animals chances at being reborn...

[Alien_Gamer]

So I have finally finished all the side quests and done the two new LVL90 dungeons. And I am completely confused...

So in one dungeon we stopped the production of more weapons and after that we know plan to start a cafe in the last zone...

This is just something that I dont understand. Arent all of those beings in the last zone reconstructions of death people that Meteion met? Why do we fear the reproduction of more weapons if those robots are not even real or alive? Why would we built a cafe there?

Also the side quests made it feel like those are not just reconstructions but souls..yet Ysthola also mentioned in the main story that we fell for this act and that we should remember that they are not real.

Can someone explain this to me? @_@

A few thoughts on that dungeon.

Its my understanding that Meteion was gathering souls there as a source for her dynamis and when we arrive its Thancred's will bending the dynamis to create everything there. The question becomes, how accurate, how thorough, was everything recreated? Ysthola warns us that these are effectively illusions, souls with no aether, but that doesn't make them less real; get in a fight with one and it will hurt you. By a similar token, we have the soul of Sir, and possibly a great many of the race, but do we have all of them? The Omicrons spanned multiple worlds and while they are sentient, are all machines on their world sentient? Are their factories sentient? Its shown during the MSQ that things were created well enough to mimic electricity and wireless communication. My interpretation was that regardless if the soul of Sigma was there, we were sending a communication to somewhere else to change what the factories were doing on some far away planet. If we hadn't, then eventually we'd have a horde of drone missiles coming towards Etheirys.

As for the cafe...the lopporits didn't get the memo that these things aren't real so they're treating them like a new race they've met. And its probably a set up for the beast tribe quests later.

[Nekaru_Infitima]

My feels and thoughts after the raids:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...id-Spoilers%29

[Rosenstrauch]

Still leveling Summoner as opposed to touching the new raid—and got to see how the tank trusts handle the level 87 dungeon.

Of course Emet-Selch would be a faux Dark Knight. It's arguably even more fitting for him than Black Mage, lol. Tempted to swap over to Scholar—which I have no idea how to play—just to check out Venat as a faux Paladin.

I'll probably get to the raid questline sooner or later. Though I think I saw a new thread up for that, so I'll be putting my thoughts there instead, I guess.

[EdwinLi]

Azem role in Raid story....

I wonder if Azem has always been aware about his future self as WoL or not. He predicted WoL's appearance to stop whatever is happening in the Raid storyline.

I am guessing Azem has always been aware of the future or that Venat told him/her everything about what is about to happen.

Or in that timeline, WoL never went back in time, never visited Elpis and Venat never put a tracker on Meteion.

That is only one possible theory of many.

Time travel is a very finicky thing that we cannot determine which theory it is until the full events of the timeline is shown how it diverges.