New Gear... for class only? [Glaring Issue] [Request]

[KiraAmane]

Not this thread again... I'm just going to copy/paste one of my responses.

Classes =/= solo only

Classes can be used successfully in a party just as a job.

I've never soloed better on my class than my job. Here, I'll even break it down, and I'd like you to tell me how the job is worse than the class.

GLA versus PLD -- PLD sacrifices some HP, for higher VIT, more DMG skills, more heals, more mp. Winner, Job.

LNC versus DRG -- DRG has much more dmg, can self cure with dead spike. I can solo 7 rank 50-52 mobs on my DRG. I can't even come close on my LNC. Winner, DRG.

ARC versus BRD -- ARC and BRD DMG is similar. The songs however favor the BRD. You can raise on BRD and heal on BRD. Winner, BRD.

CNJ versus WHM -- Regen on WHM. Enough said. Winner, job.

THM versus BLM is pretty close. THM is very useful at times, but loses out on overall dmg to BLM slightly. We've tried it a lot. Same stats etc. I'd say this is even.

PGL versus MNK -- You can self heal on PGL, but your MNK is a MONSTER on dps. If you aren't evading and stunning enough its not that PGL is better or useful as a solo class, you just aren't playing MNK properly. Pacification, kicks, more dmg overall on MNK. Winner, JOB.

Seriously, I don't see any argument for saying Classes can Solo better than Jobs. Not trying to be a dick or start an argument, but I'd like to know when a class >> job. Please don't say lolraises. If you are having to raise in parties, your healers or your tank is messing up. Simple.

[Endemerrin]

I've never soloed better on my class than my job.

This.

I've tinkered as well, and I always perform better - even while solo - on my jobs. Trying to pull a "Oh, well you just don't know how to play your class right" is also a complete load as if you know how to play it's corresponding Job, there's only a handful of differences between the two.

[ToraFomalhaut]

Honestly, classes should just become jobs at level 30, there is no real reason for the two to exist after that any more. It's really that simple in my honest opinion.

[Teknoman]

Honestly, classes should just become jobs at level 30, there is no real reason for the two to exist after that any more. It's really that simple in my honest opinion.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Jobs are still very new, and SE is still working on defining the balance between Jobs and Classes. One of the things they said they'd do to help define them is start releasing Class and Job specific gear that were different in their focus. This is the first wave of Class specific gear.

Honestly, though, I don't see the need for all this fuss. If Jobs can have specific gear, I see no reason why Classes can't. SE is clearly determined to keep this system, so we might as well embrace it and see where they take it in the future.

I think most people are just ticked off that the new items actually look really nice, yet are class only. I admit, I really want to use that sword and axe.

[Isaveron]

Honestly, classes should just become jobs at level 30, there is no real reason for the two to exist after that any more. It's really that simple in my honest opinion.

I agree. Classes and Jobs attempting to coexist will just lead to even bigger headaches trying to balance everything.

[Endemerrin]

I'm not so much concerned with the gear being able to be used by jobs, rather I want to see classes actually have some form of usefulness to justify their own sets of difficult to obtain gear. Why should people bother to get gear for say a Pugilist when a Monk can solo just as well, if not better?

Not a perfect example, but I've always had a much easier time soloing on Monk over Pugilist simply because of the sheer amount of raw power Monk has over it's predecessor. Having access to a weak cure and stoneskin doesn't really help much in the grand scheme of things.

I'm not saying all classes are useless now, but when played properly there's quite a few jobs that outshine their predecessors by incredible amounts.

Warrior is another glaringly obvious one. I'd like to see a Marauder do this or this.

You give me a video of a Marauder doing that and having an easier time, and I'll believe you that it's better for soloing than it's Job.

[Reve]

Honestly, classes should just become jobs at level 30, there is no real reason for the two to exist after that any more. It's really that simple in my honest opinion.

This makes the most sense. Maybe with a level cap increase the classes won't go beyond Lv.50. Like some people have said it's going to be more and more difficult to keep classes and jobs similar and different at the same time. It's like having two jobs do virtually the same thing. You wouldn't add the Black Belt job when the game already has MNK. Things get repetitive. I would rather have SE worrying about creating many varied and unique jobs, than trying think how it will work as a job and a class.

[Felis]

This makes the most sense. Maybe with a level cap increase the classes won't go beyond Lv.50.

And your job won't go beyond Lv. 50, too
There is no job exp in this game.

[Asiaine]

THM versus BLM is pretty close. THM is very useful at times, but loses out on overall dmg to BLM slightly. We've tried it a lot. Same stats etc. I'd say this is even.

Seriously, I don't see any argument for saying Classes can Solo better than Jobs. Not trying to be a dick or start an argument, but I'd like to know when a class >> job. Please don't say lolraises. If you are having to raise in parties, your healers or your tank is messing up. Simple.

Hello,

I use THM & BLM a lot. I find THM MUCH better than BLM. But it does depend on your situation.

If you are fighting a mob that is hard, and there is no way you can beat it with the damage of BLM before it beats you up, then you are better off with THM.

BLM will let you sleep the mob, but after time the mob resists, so you can not sleep tough mobs often enough to heal & continue fighting.

THM will let you sleep the mob, AND allow you to heal/stoneskin/protect yourself. It will also allow you to heal/stoneskin yourself if sleep is not sticking, allowing you another chance to land it.

I like to solo coffer mobs (1st, 2nd, and 3rd chests) and this would either be riskier or not possible with BLM versus THM. Stoneskin, Protect, Sentinel does make the difference.

That being said, it really is only when fighting tough mobs that Solo THM is better than BLM.

[Eliseus]

I've never soloed better on my class than my job. Here, I'll even break it down, and I'd like you to tell me how the job is worse than the class.

GLA versus PLD -- PLD sacrifices some HP, for higher VIT, more DMG skills, more heals, more mp. Winner, Job.

LNC versus DRG -- DRG has much more dmg, can self cure with dead spike. I can solo 7 rank 50-52 mobs on my DRG. I can't even come close on my LNC. Winner, DRG.

ARC versus BRD -- ARC and BRD DMG is similar. The songs however favor the BRD. You can raise on BRD and heal on BRD. Winner, BRD.

CNJ versus WHM -- Regen on WHM. Enough said. Winner, job.

THM versus BLM is pretty close. THM is very useful at times, but loses out on overall dmg to BLM slightly. We've tried it a lot. Same stats etc. I'd say this is even.

PGL versus MNK -- You can self heal on PGL, but your MNK is a MONSTER on dps. If you aren't evading and stunning enough its not that PGL is better or useful as a solo class, you just aren't playing MNK properly. Pacification, kicks, more dmg overall on MNK. Winner, JOB.

Seriously, I don't see any argument for saying Classes can Solo better than Jobs. Not trying to be a dick or start an argument, but I'd like to know when a class >> job. Please don't say lolraises. If you are having to raise in parties, your healers or your tank is messing up. Simple.

As someone that takes a lot of pride in DRG, you are full of **** if you can solo better on drg then lnc or just really bad with lnc. Just saying