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Made some sauce to swim in below for our "special" person on this thread~.

Aceofspades...for someone who thinks they are one of the best...you clearly don't have the comprehension of how broken Gla/Pld really is even after countless rants you post on other several forum threads on this topic. Your blatant disregard for pure fact clearly outlines your stupidity over the current situation. Warrior has ALL the abilities pertinent from Gla and Pug to make it more efficient tanking and taking less damage while still putting out second best damage class wise.

Even if we aren't looking at the aspect of War doing way more damage, lets pretend Warrior hits like a little toddler with a rubber mallet...Warrior has just as many abilities for holding hate as Paladin in any given situation so they are equal that way(not including Warrior being better for groups of targets since that should be redundantly clear >.> just so its clear for you all know who..."/stare @ Aceofspades") As well has just as much if not more abilities for negating damage altogether ie: featherfoot(1min), foresight(1min), second-wind(45sec), rampage{continuous}(although negligible is still pertinent), Sentinel(1min), Rampart(not positive on time, but it is 1min+, but being both have it meh)

Paladin on the other hand has is: Aegis Boon(1min), Holy Succor(could be using wrong name and don't care atm, as we know it is guaranteed block effect)(1min), Sentinel(1min), Rampart(both classes can use and as stated both have it so meh)

Now both are fairly balanced you would think for negating damage, but Warrior can more dependably sustain its own through negation and self restoration....and curing yourself doesn't count as the mp return from outmaneuver is nice, but negligible and Cover is pretty nice that way...but your not going to have someone run in fighting Chimera just so you can use it, same with Coin-Counter. and as far as Miser goes....oh wow look your silenced...oh i got silena....oh im silenced again...what im saying its not dependable where as second wind sure you might be amnesia'd, but oh im not amnesia'd anymore*poof used it for a good 600hp while you watch PLD try to cure self but is interrupted or silenced yet again.

Defense is a bullsh*t excuse to use when talking about taking less damage as both classes are capable of wearing the same armor and equipping the same materia...so your still going to take the same amount of damage as each other that way within 1-200 dmg whoopie and before you say oh but I have a shield...let me ask you this...you can count on this proc'ing??? uh no you can't, its a fact....so your going to take pretty d*mn close to the same damage a Warrior is....sooo that brings me to another point

Warrior has more HP pool and significantly(depending on how patch 1.22b goes this could change in comparison to PLD); which everyone with half a working brain who isn't driven to say THEY are the only good PLD or ONLY person who knows what they are doing without "getting lost in the sauce" as you said to another disrespectfully; knows that a far larger HP pool brings a lot of security to the party. Sure sure add your defense and lose out on hp and lessen the risk of a 1hit K.O....your mages are still going to have to heal just as much because you sacrificed defense for hp where as other people who decide to go HP over Defense are being cured just as much to help buffer you from that 1 hit K.O. So whether you go HP or Def it doesn't matter...which brings me to my point, Gla/Pld can choose one of these aspects HP or Def, where as Warrior has BOTH....that is either pretty nice amount of HP with high Def, insane amount of HP.

Big Joe:"Lets see who am I going to go with...I think I will go with the new born with the rubber mallet cause I don't want to risk tank death to have everyone die after or things go a rye. I would like to take you PLD, but I just don't feel as secure, maybe next time!"

Now lets incorporate something PLD doesn't have....oh damage so lets see what Big Joe has to say about this....Big Joe:"Oh awesome, not only are you great for tanking you can do insane amount of damage~! I'm glad we didn't get the PLD cause I was wondering if he would be able to take those big hits~! Plus this way is Wayyyyy more efficient"

So over all Warrior has just as much if not more self preservation abilities as PLD, but is able to do it better with the bonus of having more HP and much higher Damage which over-all doesn't just make the group feel safer through enmity generation even just through abilities like PLD, but also have an HP pool that allows for forgiveness, but also pumps out damage second to BLM making a battle far less prolonged and risky over time.

So Aceofspades next time you have something to say, try and make it a little more productive or rather realistic in comparison to your mindless rants on how your the ONLY person who knows how to play PLD or tank, or non-QQ. We all know how to play the game or at the very least are able to learn...we all have our own playing style.

Overall on a more serious note, PLD needs better natural dmg mitigation, and/or mp regeneration that is more reliable/adaptable to various situations(ie when party members are not in range to cover for mp regeneration) with larger HP pool to play with.

So far I have liked a lot of the ideas people have brought to threads like this. Keep up the good work everyone~!
Don't "get lost in the sauce" and drown now Aceofspades, don't know if there be many people to reel you back in...but I will say I would like to see you try to swim in the sauce...it looks pretty thick!
OMG you have opened my eyes, how could I have ever though that PLD was not broken and is perfectly capable of performing as well if not better in some cases as a WAR. BLAH BLAH BLAH, heard it all before. The fact you even replied in such length means I must of hit a nerve. Soo you too must be one who insists that becuase he can not do it , it simply can not be done, get in line behind all the other "Elitest" who say it can't be done, in the mean time I'm going to enjoy getting it done with PLD, as far as doing all the new content, yeah , I have yet to do it all, but to say that its because I tank on PLD and has nothing to do with any other contributing factor (leveling crafting jobs, helping my LS with content they have yet to complete, farming old content for drops , doing other new content other then endgame..ect ect) yeah none of that could possably be why I have yet to beat the 2 new dungeons or garuda, It is all because PLD sucks and I am stupid, while we are at it, feel free to put all that high def/vit pld gear up in the wards for super cheap since it sucks soo badly, I am always looking for a cheap set of gear to attempt triple melds on