Garlean Playable Race (?)

[MikkoAkure]

You can say the same for literally every race. Hrothgar are just hairy roes. Viera are just elezen with bunny ears. It’s just funny to me people are so quick to shut these things down, but then cannot even back up their claims with accurate lore or things the devs have said. Yoshi P himself said while before they didn’t think they could add more races after hrothgar and viera, now that they’ve been backed more, it is a possibility in the future whereas before it was a hard no. All they’ve done is reached for lore things. They literally bend the lore all the time. They did it for female roe, they did it for male miqote, they did it for male viera. This isn’t anything new. People still using the idiotic lore excuse despite Male Viera literally being here. I thought y’all would have learned lmao.Also, hilarious to me you say there’s no point “wasting energy on maybe’s and hope you get what you want.” Yet...guess what? Omg that’s exactly why we got Male Viera! Idk what this clownery line of thinking is...but it’s literally been refuted in multiple instances.

I'm not sure if you actually read what I said or if you just like saying "lore" over and over again, but ignoring the technical aspect of new races, my argument on not getting Garleans specifically leaned more on them being the bad guys and not being visually distinct than "99% of Garleans can't even cast aero lol". I'm 100% fine with male viera. They're not going to add them in without a reason. But male viera haven't been going around being Cpt. War Crimes on our little continent for 20 years. SE won't give us glamour in the Mogstation for any of the villaians, what makes you think we'll get the whole race a lot of them belong to?

You're also comparing hrothgar to roes but at least they have major facial differences. Except for a small handful of special NPCs, Garleans are just elezen with hyur ears and a dot on their head. In ARR content, Gaius, Livia, and other Garleans who keep their helmets on literally are just Elezen underneath.

I guess that would make them easier to add them as playable, but why? In EW, we're going to Garlemald. It would be thematically OK for us to get a fake head pearl item sometime during the expansion, whether it's something in the story, or a rare fate, or something else. Pop it onto your character and you're instant Garlean-ish. What is the point of anything more than that? They're not going to bend over backwards to edit the whole MSQ up until now to give special dialogue or events for a Garlean WoL. What will having "Garlean" in your character data accomplish? Male viera at least bring something new and different to the table as a race that can't be replicated by SE deciding to use an existing asset as a glamour item.

[Theodric]

I'm reminded of the arguments used to shut down requests for male viera and combat jobs with a darker theme to them, which incidentally were often touted as 'impossible'. At least until they weren't.

I'd be inclined to agree that a third eye glamour would be an efficient compromise, though it wouldn't be terrible to take the opportunity to give Pureblood Garleans a proper model in-game for both NPC's and playable races. That is, again, something that WoW itself had done over time - taking dated models for characters/enemy models and revamping them to look better.

With how dated some of the character models are looking, it could be something potentially pursued in the future across the board.

The concept of 'war crimes' is also irrelevant in my opinion. A clear distinction is made between Imperial Pureblood Garleans and those who are not aligned with Garlemald. Even then, we've found common ground where Imperial Garleans are concerned.

Furthermore, as Yoshi-P has stated in a number of interviews the game is not intended to be taken in a manner of black or white morality. So whether the Garleans are the bad guys or not is in itself entirely subjective. To some, that'll be the case - to others, it's just another conflict in a story with many different conflicts.

In addition, the Dragonsong War lasted for a thousand years. Garlemald's campaigns have lasted for far less than that. Given that the former scenario was forgiven, I'm sure the latter will be as well. Especially since Eorzea itself came to exist in its current form through many conflicts and territorial disputes. As did Doma, Hingashi and many other in-game locations.

[ItMe]

Furthermore, as Yoshi-P has stated in a number of interviews the game is not intended to be taken in a manner of black or white morality. So whether the Garleans are the bad guys or not is in itself entirely subjective. To some, that'll be the case - to others, it's just another conflict in a story with many different conflicts.

I agree and think we can push this point a little further.
We can't say that all Garleans are evil.
We can't say all Garleans are bad.
We can't even say this about many of the kinds of monster (and I don't just mean because of the beast tribes).
There is no group we can point to and say that they are all evil aligned, especially with a group is as fractured as the Garleans are.

[kaynide]

This topic pops up every couple of months.

Here’s a link to the last iteration of that’s of interest. No hate on just using the old thread or whatever, just providing information.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Garleans-Race?

[KizuyaKatogami]

I guess that would make them easier to add them as playable, but why? In EW, we're going to Garlemald. It would be thematically OK for us to get a fake head pearl item sometime during the expansion, whether it's something in the story, or a rare fate, or something else. Pop it onto your character and you're instant Garlean-ish. What is the point of anything more than that? They're not going to bend over backwards to edit the whole MSQ up until now to give special dialogue or events for a Garlean WoL. What will having "Garlean" in your character data accomplish? Male viera at least bring something new and different to the table as a race that can't be replicated by SE deciding to use an existing asset as a glamour item.

What kind of logic is this? In that case we don’t need Viera. People can just plop on the gold saucer bunny ears and call it a day hm? Hrothgars literally use roe skeletons. They are literally furry roes with slight model differences. No different than Garleans being elezen skeletons/models. I don’t really see what war crimes had to do with anything. Every race has committed “war crimes” of some kind. Thats a strange argument to make lmao.

[KizuyaKatogami]

This topic pops up every couple of months.

Here’s a link to the last iteration of that’s of interest. No hate on just using the old thread or whatever, just providing information.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...threads/420354

A majority of that thread just seems to be people reiterating the same misinformation of Garleans being unable to use aether period Really wish people would do their research more before spreading false info.

[kaynide]

A majority of that thread just seems to be people reiterating the same misinformation of Garleans being unable to use aether period Really wish people would do their research more before spreading false info.

That is kind of the point. According to stated lore for the game, Garleans as a whole are not able to use magic outside very very few individuals. This no longer becomes true when you see Garlean white mages or black mages on every street corner as PCs.

Moreover to quote myself from the previous exchange:

In addition, (sorry I already said this) Garlean characters in the hero team (like Cid) are meant to be rare/unique. There is (Rightly) a bit of a hullabaloo whenever a Garlean is befriended by the heroes. It wouldn’t work if suddenly even 10% of the player population were suddenly Garlean.

[Sotaris]

I mean that’s an opinion. Just because the races haven’t been integrated very well, that doesn’t mean we don’t need more. I could see a Garlean race being introduced maybe in 7.0 or 8.0, hopefully after they do a graphics overhaul. A lot of people don’t even seem to know the lore of them in the first place and just say oh they can’t use aether. When as Theodric kindly stated, isn’t entirely true.

What I mean by we don't need any more races is there is clearly a lot of factors that limits the team. Unless we get a new game engine and they can be more agile where assets can be made for all races, I don't see the ROI on this one. I rather them focus on the races we have, or add new variations on them (new customizable options etc)

What kind of logic is this? In that case we don’t need Viera. People can just plop on the gold saucer bunny ears and call it a day hm? Hrothgars literally use roe skeletons. They are literally furry roes with slight model differences. No different than Garleans being elezen skeletons/models. I don’t really see what war crimes had to do with anything. Every race has committed “war crimes” of some kind. Thats a strange argument to make lmao.

Viera isn't needed. They should've stopped at Au'Ra.

[Rosenstrauch]

The majority of Garlean NPCs are just Midlanders/Elezen with modified heads, so it's not like they'd be breaking the bank by taking what they've cobbled together and enabling it. Hell, they could just give the player the option to have a Garlean third eye on a Midlander body and call it a day.

[Sotaris]

I mean same argument been made about Viera and Hrothgar and yet here we are.