Final Skybuilders' Tool

[Jojoya]

Well... You seem to be a little bit harsh on this... I do remember some BiS battle gear not always being the relic weapon, so some ppl chose to use something else instead.

Anyway, I'm curious... If the Skybuilders' tool is not as good as the pentamelded, control-heavy Aesthete, shouldn't you be happy about it that your Aesthete is not obsolete yet? So you pentameld effort is still worth another patch... If I were in that situation, I'd be quite happy about that, and just glamor the Skybuilders' on top of the Aesthete.

Another question, how does remelding other gear help you to achieve better stats if you were already pentamelding the Aesthete mainhand? I'd assume your other gear would also be pentamelded and control-heavy, right? So you probably can't gain more control from other gear by remelding them, in order to make up the loss control from switching to Skybuilders'.

Btw, Happy CNY and happy Valentines'!!!

The conversation was about the effects of increasing Craftsmanship, not increasing Craftsmanship and CP. We know how powerful small amounts of CP can be.

I'd like to see the result when CP isn't increased.

From what I recall, SE doesn't promote combat relics as BiS (perhaps they did before I started paying attention to relic grinds?). SE also provides a way for players to customize their relic weapons, either through sockets or through stat rerolls on the weapons.

SE did promote the Skybuilder tools as BiS, unlike what they do with the relic weapons. SE did not provide us with a way to customize the tools, unlike what they do with the relic weapons.

We're supposed to feel good about the effort we put in over months when the moment we finally get the completed tool and equip it we discover ourselves worse off? We're supposed to be happy that to see any benefit from those months of effort we've got to go through the hassle of remelding gear, which is arguably the least enjoyable aspect of end game crafting?

SE could have put sockets on the tools instead of using a static set of stats and everyone could have come out ahead as soon as they added those few materia they wanted on the tools. Everyone could have felt good about being in a better position than they had been.

[Liam_Harper]

If you don't feel that this is for you then that is fine really if your preference aligns with something else. But given the scope of this discussion, it's factually incorrect to imply that Skybuilders' tool has no real benefit over Pentamelded Aesthete's.

While this is true that benefit can exist, I can do your 20 step rotation with my Aesthete set by simply changing a control materia in my belt to craftmanship. If we look at the tools purely from the perspective of how useful they are, there's absolutely no way I'd ever consider grinding 8 full relics over swapping one cheap materia. They're purely for glam for me. Which is why I asked if they go in the dresser, because that's all I'll use them for.

I actually haven't bothered to obtain any of the last stages yet. There's nothing to craft really with ranking over and 4 star gear worth next to nothing, so there isn't even a point in rushing to get a shiny tool. I agree with Jojoya on this, it wouldn't have hurt to put a few materia sockets or a little bonus on these to make them truly BiS and that tiny bit more satisfying to obtain. I see no reason why they couldn't.

[Kaurhz]

While this is true that benefit can exist, I can do your 20 step rotation with my Aesthete set by simply changing a control materia in my belt to craftmanship. If we look at the tools purely from the perspective of how useful they are, there's absolutely no way I'd ever consider grinding 8 full relics over swapping one cheap materia. They're purely for glam for me. Which is why I asked if they go in the dresser, because that's all I'll use them for.

I actually haven't bothered to obtain any of the last stages yet. There's nothing to craft really with ranking over and 4 star gear worth next to nothing, so there isn't even a point in rushing to get a shiny tool. I agree with Jojoya on this, it wouldn't have hurt to put a few materia sockets or a little bonus on these to make them truly BiS and that tiny bit more satisfying to obtain. I see no reason why they couldn't.

I mean sure if you remeld, the point really was that if you have them, then they have use provided you meet the requisite thresholds that you otherwise don't meet with Aesthete's. At this point, it's just several ways of achieving the same goal. I achievement hunt, I enjoy glamour and I personally prefer them over our Blessed Tools so I happen to conveniently have them. Would I do it strictly for the benefit of step/CP saving alone? Probably not, but again, it's glamour and achievement points anyway, just happened to be 2 birds with 1 stone in this regard. The original question was whether or not they belong, or are destined to go to the dresser, not whether you should grind them. That's a different matter entirely.

I do agree, they could have added a materia socket or two so that they have more benefit especially as it correlates to how annoying of a grind it is getting them all. I'm pretty sure the only argument I really made was that they're only worse if you apply vacuum logic to the situation. Outside of Ishgard Restoration, control only matters to the degree of going from 1 HQ material to 2, or so on, and/or whether you can save a step(s) or not, and with recipes as 'inflated' prog/qual wise, they aren't easy to hit; a 5K quality disparity on these recipes requires around 230 Control stat to eliminate. With Craftsmanship only mattering if it's the difference between Synthesis actions, particularly from a CP pov. It just happened in this very particular situation the gain to Craftsmanship outweighs the loss to control, hence my disagreement with looking at it through a vacuum. Besides, if the argument then is made that 4* is worth next to nothing, then these tools were doomed from inception irrespective of what they do, which then makes the whole topic/question moot in the first place. Though I would disagree on this anyway, simply given how well accessories are still selling, in combination with their low production cost.

[Liam_Harper]

The original question was whether or not they belong, or are destined to go to the dresser, not whether you should grind them. That's a different matter entirely.

To be fair I was curious from a practical sense if they can go into the dresser (for example, the 515 relic cannot despite the fact earlier steps can), rather than whether they're only worth it as dresser glamour. Personally I wouldn't find it worth grinding one to use, but if someone else finds them worthwhile to use I wouldn't disagree with that. It depends on the player really.