Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[dinnertime]

But you're not disproving my argument at all.
Just because tome gear takes *longer* to get only makes it more time consuming, which is a variable that can't be fully taken into account because you never know who you wind up with in DF. Just like how you cant always control who you get in PF unless you have a preformed group.
And correcting me by saying you'll need 19 runs of the EX just proves my case even more, because I was not aware of that number of runs.
Jesus, that's awful.

Let's not joke around now. Capping your tomes is incredibly easy and has a multitude of ways to do so. The only thing that would keep people from capping them is if they have no time to play the game or if they don't have much time left to cap. You still need to wait weeks to get everything. Doing the EX trial is a luck-based and you can't exactly control the situation I agree, but it's not impossible to get an entire set in just one day.

19 runs is pretty bad I'll admit but I think that's how it goes with EX trials that give accessories? I'm not sure.

[Mavrias]

Let's not joke around now. Capping your tomes is incredibly easy and has a multitude of ways to do so. The only thing that would keep people from capping them is if they have no time to play the game or if they don't have much time left to cap. You still need to wait weeks to get everything. Doing the EX trial is a luck-based and you can't exactly control the situation I agree, but it's not impossible to get an entire set in just one day.

19 runs is pretty bad I'll admit but I think that's how it goes with EX trials that give accessories? I'm not sure.

Its ten runs. The EX trial gives two totems per clear. Plus it drops coffers to roll on as well.

[dinnertime]

Its ten runs. The EX trial gives two totems per clear. Plus it drops coffers to roll on as well.

Oh that's actually better. Hmm, I should actually do it for myself when I have the time later.

[KageTokage]

The dropped gear is better then any other 480 stuff (Possible exception for the piety heavy healer pieces) that's available due to it having five materia slots, which means you get +300 extra secondary stats vs. the 180 on overmelded crafted gear.

It's harder to get, but a good option if you want to gear an alt job and don't play multiple jobs within the same role.

[Kraniel]

Dyeable gear has been locked behind savage for years, so I'm not sure what your point is.

My point is that i think it's a bad design choice and they should stop doing it ? I thought my message was pretty clear.

Just because it's been the case for years doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I think it's one thing to lock a specific set of gear behind hardcore content, but locking the "dye" option behind it is just unfair for casual players in my opinion. You give them the exact same armor, but they can't dye it ? I mean, come on, this should not be a thing. I understand that SE don't have the time to come up with new sets for each hardcore content, but still they should look into other options.

And like i said in another thread, i love the Eden's Verse Gate armor, but just as i was ready to start savage, 5.2 came out, and now it's a real pain for me to find people to grind it.
So even for players who enjoy savage content like myself, this can be annoying.

[Kewitt]

Yes it's a good idea there are a lot of people who will try ex for the 1st time.

[swiss_Momo]

there's also a high chance that this will be dead content fast, since there is no mount and the gear is effectively just for glam.
Like most of my FC mates who regularly run ex trials already don't care about this after clearing it once

[Mavrias]

My point is that i think it's a bad design choice and they should stop doing it ? I thought my message was pretty clear.

Just because it's been the case for years doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I think it's one thing to lock a specific set of gear behind hardcore content, but locking the "dye" option behind it is just unfair for casual players in my opinion. You give them the exact same armor, but they can't dye it ? I mean, come on, this should not be a thing. I understand that SE don't have the time to come up with new sets for each hardcore content, but still they should look into other options.

And like i said in another thread, i love the Eden's Verse armor, but just as i was ready to start savage, 5.2 came out, and now it's a real pain for me to find people to grind it.
So even for players who enjoy savage content like myself, this can be annoying.

If you want the gear but for whatever reason can't do the savage fight currently (or the EX in this case) you can always unsync the fight next expansion. I'm sorry if you feel it's unfair, but those who are doing harder content deserve rewards, too. Getting dyeable gear sooner is simply one of those rewards. There are plenty of other gear pieces easily obtainable in the meantime.

Also Eden's Verse came out in 5.2? You must mean the Eden's Gate armor, I assume, and I still see PFs for learning and clearing Titan and Leviathan daily. Sure, they aren't as plentiful as they were when the tier was current, but they still exist. Additionally, as I said in another posts there are fellowships and discords dedicated to getting people started and through savage and extreme fights and hardore/ midcore content in general.

[Kraniel]

If you want the gear but for whatever reason can't do the savage fight currently (or the EX in this case) you can always unsync the fight next expansion. I'm sorry if you feel it's unfair, but those who are doing harder content deserve rewards, too. Getting dyeable gear sooner is simply one of those rewards. There are plenty of other gear pieces easily obtainable in the meantime.

Also Eden's Verse came out in 5.2? You must mean the Eden's Gate armor, I assume, and I still see PFs for learning and clearing Titan and Leviathan daily. Sure, they aren't as plentiful as they were when the tier was current, but they still exist. Additionally, as I said in another posts there are fellowships and discords dedicated to getting people started and through savage and extreme fights and hardore/ midcore content in general.

It's not unfair for me personally since i'm currently doing the savage/extreme trials. I was saying it's unfair for those who don't want to do them at all.
Yeah you're right, i meant Eden's Gate, not Eden's Verse. And it's a real pain to find a party to do those nowadays.

I expected you to say that people can just wait until the next expansion to do the content unsynced, but that's not a real argument. Expansions come out about every two years. You're basically asking the whole casual community to wait for two years to get the dyeable version of gear they already own.

On the other hand, when some players asked to delay savage of 1~2 weeks at most, the hardcore raiders said they wanted the content right away, just because (see this thread for instance). I don't know your stance on this other topic, but whatever it is you have to realize that when the hardcore part of the community says they can't wait another week to start savage, telling the casuals that they should wait two years to get dyeable gear is quite the absurdity.

All in all, that's why i'm saying that there are other ways to reward hardcore players, without frustrating a whole chunk of the community (because just as you, i too think that players who clear difficult content should get exceptional rewards). All i want is for SE to explore those options.

[Mavrias]

It's not unfair for me personally since i'm currently doing the savage/extreme trials. I was saying it's unfair for those who don't want to do them at all.
Yeah you're right, i meant Eden's Gate, not Eden's Verse. And it's a real pain to find a party to do those nowadays.

I expected you to say that people can just wait until the next expansion to do the content unsynced, but that's not a real argument. Expansions come out about every two years. You're basically asking the whole casual community to wait for two years to get the dyeable version of gear they already own.

On the other hand, when some players asked to delay savage of 1~2 weeks at most, the hardcore raiders said they wanted the content right away, just because (see this thread for instance).

In the end, that's why i'm saying that there are other ways to reward hardcore players, without frustrating a whole chunk of the community (because just as you, i too think that players who clear difficult content should get exceptional rewards). All i want is for SE to explore those options.

Then is it also unfair that someone who doesn't want to PvP can't get the Frontline wins Leader Coat? Or someone who doesn't like fashion report can't get the short-shorts from the vendor? You can get it if you just wait, is not an invalid argument. Like I said the part of the rewards for those doing savage as it is current is that they get that dyable glamour piece right away, if they so choose. Everyone else can get it later, easily. Just as with mounts and titles. The only exception is Ultimate titles and weapon glamours, as Ultimate fights cannot be done unsynced.

That thread had plenty of hardcore raiders in support for delaying savage for a week or two. In fact, most of the people in that thread period (in either position of the discussion) were savage raiders.