Daily Challenge: Extreme Trial

[Firago]

This is by no means my original idea. These are suggestions I’ve seen in replies to other threads about synced old content. I’m surprised that no one made an actual thread about these suggestions as far as I’ve seen.

So this is a way to breathe life into old extreme trials. Personally I’ve noticed that it can be difficult for new players to form a group motivated enough to run older extreme trials level-synced. Most players rather run this content unsynced and blast right through. I don’t blame them, there’s no incentive for them to run the content at the intended level. However new players will not be able to experience the full fight.

Daily challenge: Extreme Trial

I know that a random roulette in the duty finder will not work. There’s too much of a gap in difficulty between certain trials. This would work similarly to Frontlines where you see the type of match you will get for queuing that day. Each day a certain extreme trial will be available. You will see what you will get so you can be ready. Queuing for the daily challenge will level sync you of course.

Rewards (All of these are examples)

Now for the part that will motivate players to do these challenges. Completing the daily challenge will award a new currency called “Memory Shard” once a day. Memory Shards can be exchanged for glamours/mounts/minions/etc. Some miniature earrings like the Namazu earrings perhaps? How about mounts or bardings like the flying cloud and starlight barding?

There would be some perks for running challenges:
- Increased chance of learning Blue Mage spells.
- Increased drop chance for mounts.
- 10 totems upon completion.
- Tomestones/Exp upon completion.

The amount of Memory Shards awarded will depend on the difficulty of the content. For example:
- Garuda Extreme will award 2 MS.
- Ministrel’s Ballad:Tsukyomi’s Pain will award 8 MS.
The actual amounts will of course be determined by Yoshi’s team. They have the completion ratio data after all.

You can solo or premade queue for the daily challenge. The challenges will only include trials that are not part of the current expansion. The stacking echo buff will work normally. I know that there’s no way to get an authentic 1:1 experience since jobs have changed since then but this I feel is as close as you can practically get. I think this would be great thing to run with your FC, LS, Fellowships, friends, etc.

Let’s discuss. What do you think?
What rewards would be good?
Should mount drops and blue magic be guaranteed?
Should your gear be synced to max or min ilvl? Or somewhere in between?
Should it be a weekly challenge?

tl;dr: New daily for extreme trials that is NOT A RANDOM ROULETTE while level synced for rewards.

[DrWho2010]

imo WT does enough to somewhat breathe life into old EX trials. this is a very niche thing that almost brings no benefit.

[Firago]

Personally I think it’s silly that it still counts when you run an extreme trial unsynced for WT.

[Enla]

Personally I think it’s silly that it still counts when you run an extreme trial unsynced for WT.

Some of them would never get run otherwise however. Thordan unsync'd is a big fat 'no' from me.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Personally I think it’s silly that it still counts when you run an extreme trial unsynced for WT.

And yet, if they made it only count while level sync was in effect, you'd have dozens of topics from Level 80s complaining that they don't want to play around with a Level 50 rotation just to get a sticker for a weekly reward.

[Vidu]

With all those threads like this popping up, I wonder if all your guys requesting this arent better off just creating a Discord dedicated to finding/collecting people who are intrested in doing those fights the "proper" way again, just for the sake of it.

I have to reasons for making this alternative suggestion - one personal and on practical.

Lets get the personal stuff out of the way first: Personally, I'm not really intrested in a feature like this - I've done all those fighst when they were relevant, I've farmed them to death for their mounts and I'm hoarding tokens from each and every one of them, so I wont have to do them again if I ever want to glamour a weapon. Basically, what I am is: Done with those fights. I dont really want to go back, especially not on a weekly/daily basis... I like the feeling of being down with those fights and just being able to focus on the new ones. I obviously know that "I dont have to do the roulette if I dont want to" - its an argument I used myself often enough, admittly, but I still wanted to give my personal opinion on this.

Now for the more practical side: This will only work for so long - people, myself included, will do them as long as it takes to get the desired rewards (or, depending on the primal just skip doing it alltogether) and then it will be dead again. Ex-primals arent really made for DF, they're just not - maybe half of them are doable, a quarter will be painful and the last quarter will just see people leave left and right (or outright not queue up for them).
Either way I dont think constantly adding rewards to old content is a real longterm solution, because it will always only work right after the reward is added, when people hardcore farming it and then you'll be back to square one.

If you really want to do those fights again the longterm solution that I think would work best is to gather people who also enjoy doing this fights synched. To find people who dont need a carrot, but would just like to do Ramuh EX again...
If you think it would be great to do those fights with friends again: Why not do those fights with friends again right now? If you enjoy doing those fights why do you need rewards sprinkled on top of them? Why not grab your friends and set yourself a fun challenge - switch up jobs, all-tank-runs, all-heal-runs etc.?
I feel that at a certain point the best way to keep those fights going is to take initative yourself, find people who enjoy the same thing as you, spice the fights up and just enjoy them for the sake of it. Thats more likely to keep them alive, at least in an isolated community, than "making" everyone run them again just to grab the rewards and then return to the happy state of "Thank god, I never have to see Nidhogg again!"

[Deceptus]

Some of them would never get run otherwise however. Thordan unsync'd is a big fat 'no' from me.

This. I've simply forgotten certain mechanics from content that is 5 years+ old.

Hell, I got put into Swallows Compass in my 567 roullette and had to remember certain parts of it.

[Yhoiryo]

Considering that people sometimes already have a hard time clearing normal trials. I'd say no.

We have Crossworld PF's for a reason, use them. If you can't find anything there try discord/forums.

[Firago]

With all those threads like this popping up, I wonder if all your guys requesting this arent better off just creating a Discord dedicated to finding/collecting people who are intrested in doing those fights the "proper" way again, just for the sake of it.

I have to reasons for making this alternative suggestion - one personal and on practical.

Lets get the personal stuff out of the way first: Personally, I'm not really intrested in a feature like this - I've done all those fighst when they were relevant, I've farmed them to death for their mounts and I'm hoarding tokens from each and every one of them, so I wont have to do them again if I ever want to glamour a weapon. Basically, what I am is: Done with those fights. I dont really want to go back, especially not on a weekly/daily basis... I like the feeling of being down with those fights and just being able to focus on the new ones. I obviously know that "I dont have to do the roulette if I dont want to" - its an argument I used myself often enough, admittly, but I still wanted to give my personal opinion on this.

Now for the more practical side: This will only work for so long - people, myself included, will do them as long as it takes to get the desired rewards (or, depending on the primal just skip doing it alltogether) and then it will be dead again. Ex-primals arent really made for DF, they're just not - maybe half of them are doable, a quarter will be painful and the last quarter will just see people leave left and right (or outright not queue up for them).
Either way I dont think constantly adding rewards to old content is a real longterm solution, because it will always only work right after the reward is added, when people hardcore farming it and then you'll be back to square one.

Thank you for taking the time to read my suggestion and putting together a constructive reply Vidu. I respect your personal opinion so with all due respect I will say that this optional challenge isn't for someone like you. This isn't for someone who who has “farmed it to death” and is now done with it and would never want to run it again. It's more for newer players say for example: players who started during HW. They didn't get to experience the ARR extreme trials when they were current. Think about players who are just starting right now during ShB, they didn't get to experience ARR, HW, or StB extreme trials when they were current. This challenge is for them. When you see a trial that you'd like to play at the intended level go ahead and queue for it solo or join one of the new PF's that will actually say “Daily Challenge.” The rewards could be something similar to what the Moogle Tomestones award: Things that veterans already have or maybe have a tiny tiny earring with a miniature beastman.

The idea is to make it easier for players who haven't experienced the content at the intended level an opportunity to do so. Maybe a trial that you happened to enjoy pops up, maybe someone doesn't mind attempting to teach players how to clear a trial, maybe it can be a focus for certain FC's, LS's, Fellowships, Discords. Right now in my personal experience along with what I've seen on the forums and chats in general I see that it can take hours or multiple attempts for a PF for synced content to fill up. Why do you think threads like these keep popping up?

Extreme/Savage/Synced roulettes
ARR Extreme Trials, Mentors, and Duty Finder
It's time we get an Extreme Trial Roulette.
PLEASE I NEED HELP with EX trials
[Feedback] Raid roulette
They should add a Weekly Savage Content Roullete
Duty Roulette : Extreme? Mentor?

There are still more but I think I made my point. I'm pretty confident when I say that they will continue to pop up from time to time until such a system is put in place. IMO I don't think this feature will “die out quickly” as there will always be new players coming in who haven't done this content unless you want to say the game is dying.

[Hugowulf]

Just use pf, this sounds like a waste of devs resources.