Thread: Astro changes 5.1

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Ouch. Such were my fears. Though I'll give it another week and/or the removal of WHM from the top 10 combined healer damage ranks of each Savage fight before I transition from conscientious alarm to a wallowing in disappointment.

Meanwhile, how do we all feel the solution should progress? Should we rein unintended overbuffs back in or increase healer relative contribution through role power creep in our next attempt at parity?

I say this based on 95 percentile, so at the time of this post:
- In the case of AST+SCH, that would would cover about 11 samples.
- In the case of SCH+WHM, that would cover about 78 samples.

I expect volatility from AST+SCH given the number of samples, that's the number that is most likely to change in the following days. I agree that we have a sampling problem, but I think it's enough to conclude that AST+SCH will be on top. The question will be, by how much?

What I thought AST needed before knowing anything about 5.1 was the Combust buff. And even then, I wasn't sure about it because of how good the AST+SCH synergy is (even more so now that CU is back to its broken state). The Malefic buff, I just don't understand. And I didn't when I failed to account for the indirect RDPS buffs either.

On the plus side, AST+WHM seems to be pretty close to SCH+WHM at the moment. So I suppose we'll soon have a pretty good idea of how much WHM needs to solidify its role as the "selfish" healer and bring the three possible combinations within competitive numbers with each other.

Originally Posted by LariaKirin

I say this based on 95 percentile, so at the time of this post:
- In the case of AST+SCH, that would would cover about 11 samples.
- In the case of SCH+WHM, that would cover about 78 samples.

I expect volatility from AST+SCH given the number of samples, that's the number that is most likely to change in the following days. I agree that we have a sampling problem, but I think it's enough to conclude that AST+SCH will be on top. The question will be, by how much?

What I thought AST needed before knowing anything about 5.1 was the Combust buff. And even then, I wasn't sure about it because of how good the AST+SCH synergy is (even more so now that CU is back to its broken state). The Malefic buff, I just don't understand. And I didn't when I failed to account for the indirect RDPS buffs either.

On the plus side, AST+WHM seems to be pretty close to SCH+WHM at the moment. So I suppose we'll soon have a pretty good idea of how much WHM needs to solidify its role as the "selfish" healer and bring the three possible combinations within competitive numbers with each other.

The numbers may not shift as much as you think, AST's playstyle has barely changed with 5.1, which is the biggest contending factor to how much it is used, WHM throughout SB was considered inferior to AST yet it still had plenty more parses in each raid tier than current AST does, the current numbers difference only matter for those trying to be as optimal as possible which is a narrow group by far, playstyle is far more important and the shift that AST got with the expansion created a decent amount of contention with a decent amount of people still not going to be happy now, potency fix would look like a plaster going on a scar to these people.

To be honest, I don't understand why Yoshida are selling AST changes as key selling point during the Live letter.
I mean, the major points were a better mana management and a buff to AST Noct, but the changes are abyssal.

Honestly, I look at MP changes, I laugh so hard. Even at worse, I didn't imagine it would be so ridiculous : -1/10 MP cost on two healing spells.
It will change nothing.

Furthermore, for the Noct part...only one change, and for me it less efficient than Diurnal part.
Diurnal has now more 2 oGCD HoT than Nocturnal. HoT value is more important than Shield and Mitigation value (especially because this expansion requiere less shield than the last, and because every role / jobs have more mitigation).
And let's not forget that proc CU is generally used for mitigate one attack, not several (reason : there are too rare). So, you can still mitigate while doing HoT in Diurnal, when Nocturnal is doing only mitigation and maybe 100-200 healing potency.

It's a shame, really, Nocturnal is still not worth after 4 years and 4 months.
SE should really consider to delete this stance for the future and doing WHM/AST as HoT-Pure, and SCH/4th as Shield-Mitigation.

However, not everything is black hopefully.
DPS solo has been increased and CU Diurnal is now better than during Stormblood (100 HoT, 60 CD > 150 HoT, 90 CD), because we have more windows to place it so, more damage reduced + great HoT.

Next step : focus mp management (again), cards and Time Dilation, (and forget about Noct please).

SE Please stop upping AST pDPS and fix our damn cards already. Bard get's it's songs back and guess what, they aren't all "Damage up", please give AST it's flavour back. We are Support Healers, leave DPS to SCH and WHM. End Rant, Thank you.

Originally Posted by Haxaan

SE Please stop upping AST pDPS and fix our damn cards already. Bard get's it's songs back and guess what, they aren't all "Damage up", please give AST it's flavour back. We are Support Healers, leave DPS to SCH and WHM. End Rant, Thank you.

Yeah, but the most they can do right now though is like introduce a "reversed" action that would convert the the drawn card into a defensive buff

Just give us 3 offensive buff card and 3 defensive buff card.
Redraw trade offensive to defensive card, and vice versa.

Something like this:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...%28Less-RNG%29