A request to the Development Team in regarding "Shoha" and "Meditation "

[Liam_Harper]

Agreed. I don't look forward to Meditate fishing. With the changes to Shoha, now it works out well over 200 potency per Meditate fish iirc, making it enough of a gain that you don't want to ignore it. It will lead to 3rd party tools being used to track server ticks.

I saw this coming when they had plans to make Shoha viable through extra Meditate stacks instead of reworking it entirely. Tying a skill to Meditate like this was a bad idea from the start. Meditate already worked perfectly fine as a downtime tool, there was no reason to force us to use it like this.

[Liam_Harper]

261 potency per fish then?

It's the same problem though. That second stack would have that same potency and people will turn to third party tools to optimize. I agree Sam has issues with the rotation being on a strict loop that does feel auto-pilot (and feels worse if it drifts), but I don't feel fishing for server tick procs with your downtime tool is the fix or great design.

I'm not sure what the fix is myself, I'd tie Shoha to Iaijutsu and Tsubama alone, leave Meditate as is (you can still fish for 128 if you want) and give Tsubame an 8 sec leniency, but then perhaps we could get a functional Hagakure back and a small buff to Seigan.