SCH is trash in its current state

[Jxnibbles]

Please leave it mostly as is. Just give it ED.

[MrKusakabe]

I have always healed as Scholar. It is always one main profession (Red Mage) and Scholar - since 2014.

Apart from certain personal issues like my muscle memory due to my skillbar looking like a swiss cheese without knowing how to properly re-arrange it there was so much awful gameplay going on it really tilted me to the point that I actually logged off mid-Castrum as I really just felt terrible. I just did that as it was Castrum and not a big loss, but playing my one and favourite healer profession made me quit the game for the day and log off crying in my Gridania Inn's pillow is a strong sign..!

My gripes:

* Missing Protes - Come on, we are Scholars, but we have not figured out a way for protection similar to protes in the past centuries? What kind of Scholars are we? Freshmen?
* To me, damage spikes are hard to heal away while regular healing is even more "boring".
* Indomitability used to be my "Panic button" - Now I have two restriction on it! A cooldown AND an aetherflow cost which in return is bound to a 60-second cooldown?
* My Eos was invisible for an entire bossfight. I s..t you not! I could not see it! My allies' health went down and I used to place my fairy in the middle of the action and then get out a juicy whispering dawn - well, I would, but I could not see her and blindly casted it in the hope it affects my guys. (As you know yourself, our Fairies end up at the edge of the arena often when blown over the place!)
* Whispering Dawn itself - Is something I have to cast now. Isn't the whole point of a fairy that we work parallel to each other - now it's serial. Why would I cast Whispering Dawn and the Eos does it, when I could use my own skill in the meantime?
* I found myself casting Adloquium a lot as I have no panic button - so I have to work proactive instead of reactive. But doing that on a 4-man group cost me 40% of my entire mana! I feel helpless..
* WHY THE F..CK CAN'T I PUT THE TWO SKILLS INTO THE PET SKILLBAR ANYMORE?
(Caps required for emphasis)


UI quirks:

* The awkward shield that bleeds into the player's names is stupid and nonsensical.
* What's with the down arrow below a name? Looks like I watch stock market on CNN. I thought it shows "up" when HoT is applied, but nope.

The entire flow between me and my fairy is broken. It feels like she hates me now or something. The entire point of me picking Scholar was the 60/30 relation of "me" and "my fairy". Right now she does her thing.

I am either not seeing the big elephant in the room here... Or I really do not wish to heal anymore. Even typing it out makes me kind of sad actually..

EDIT: I enjoy healing on my Red Mage more actually as it feels like a cool addition while Scholar feels crap.

Sincerely,

[OmegaSinX]

I actually like the current sch... but thats just me

Your Main Class says you're a level 39 Arcanist so unless you have another alt with SCH at 70, how would you know that you like it better?

[Lannybaby]

I was told by someone in my linkshell that JPN players have a very different outlook on clearing encounters than western players. They prefer safe clears over our fast clears, which may explain why healers are the way they are right now. We like to weave dps into our heals in order to help the party; the faster the target dies, the less overall damage we take. They're satisfied with maximum healing and meh dps skills. We're the opposite, at least to some extent.

But SE hardly listens to our comments and concerns, at least over the JPN player base.

[Melorie]

God, SCH is so boring atm. Every dungeon feels like a Sastacha, and Art of War animation is just... blergh. AST new card system killed it for me so I though I would go with SCH since I was having a good time with it in Stormblood but I don't know if I can playing it knowing how it used to be. Also the whole "fairy skills are now your skills" is just. so. meh.

They're satisfied with maximum healing and meh dps skills. We're the opposite, at least to some extent.

To be honest that wouldn't be a problem if we had interesting healing skills (we do have some - assize, earthly star, the new lily whm system), but that's not the case. Or if healing was engaging through the entire game and not just the top or current content. I wouldn't mind being a "pure" healer if I had reasons to do so, and if being a pure-healer was something creative. That's not the case.

[Pleymo]

Scholar is my main since the beginning and I have to agree, it's just awful for so many reasons. I'm just stopping Sch right now, and I'll go for another healer, hoping they'll fix it.

Problems :

- Absolutely no gameplay at all compared to all the other jobs
- Aetherflow is a pain and very frustrating, can't use it if not in fight, and also can't use it when other members are in fight.
You have to deal damage or heal someone/ do another action before you can use it...
- And it doesn't have the -5sec cooldown for each time you use Lustrate anymore
- And then if Aetherflow comes back and you still have some stacks you HAVE TO use it even if everyone are full HP, to fill the fairy gauge... since we don't have Energy Drain anymore.
This is so stupid and frustrating...
- And then the fairy... we don't see her so we don't know what to do, her skills are definitely not "instant" cause of the animation, and it feels it slow us down instead of helping.
- Helping dps in dungeon is ultra boring, no dot spread or this kind of thing
- Everything that made scholar different and enjoyable is gone.
- And since the ability in our hotbar isn't the ability of the fairy, we have to go to the menu to look at the description.......Really? Like everyone is saying, Someone played it at some point ?
- And the Super fairy has almost the same ablities than eos so once again, boring shortcut...

Idea of gameplay (You should) :

- Put back Aetherflow how it was.

- Give back Energy drain (So we can fill our fairy bar, without throwing useless lustrate)

- Put back Selene with different actions
- An action reducing a bit cooldown of caster(s), an action reducing a bit cooldown for melee(s))
- All the fairy actions are on different cooldowns, but Summonnig another fairy costs 2 aether flow (for example), and the 'reducing cooldown melee' action is an aoe that doesn't stack with the 'reduction cooldown of caster action'. So we have to manage placement of the fairy, and give us a gameplay to play with.

- Of course make the fairy more visible.

- Make the fairy actions more instant.

- Put an aoe damage buff on Seraph (even 1 or 2% is fine), so we have an objective, and feel more usefull.

[currentlemon]

Yeah, looks like I won't be leveling SCH anytime soon. The job looks boring to play. Which is a shame because I did like the job in 4.x due to its complexity. I'm aware that I only have the job at lvl. 53, but after reading the changes and people's complaints, I'd rather not touch it. And good riddance too because I'm playing two 'stale' jobs already (WHM and DRK). Don't want the game any more bland as it is now.

[Acteon]

Everything about SCH gameplay that needs to be said has been.
It's BORING.

All healer gameplay is now boring. But what really irks me about all these changes?
Your offensive gameplay is now: Apply dot. Spam filler.
Dia: 120 potency on cast, 60p over 30s.
Biolysis: 60p over 30s.
Combust III: 45p over 30s.

Glare: 300p
Broil III: 280p
Malefic IV: 240p

Why is WHM so much better than the other two?

Holy: Cast time, 140p, 4s stun
Art of War: Instant, 150p.
Gravity: Cast time, 130p.

Is it assumed Astros have a Light Party where ever they go? Because a 6% card buff on self certainly doesn't make up those potency discrepancies.
And if SCH is going to be lower than WHM; is the assumption that if you want offense soloing the SCH should just go SMN?

All the 'rotations' are BS, they are all boring.
But if you're going to be subjected to it, might as well use the strongest.

[Mirajane_Takami]

This is so horrible , i tryed to be optimistic but NO , playing the class now is total garbage , honestly it feels like they should have just removed the entire class cause what they did is pretty much that , everytime now i play it just gives me a massive headache , i cant beleave they would do this kinda thing and SE has come up with some really dumb things , but this takes the cake in stupidity =/ , im gonna have to pass on this patch till they fixed it , im really sad that i cant even play it anymore without not caring to do anything ,not to mention the class is so boring cause each time i try to do something serious , it gives me massive migraines

[Avih]

I was told by someone in my linkshell that JPN players have a very different outlook on clearing encounters than western players. They prefer safe clears over our fast clears, which may explain why healers are the way they are right now. We like to weave dps into our heals in order to help the party; the faster the target dies, the less overall damage we take. They're satisfied with maximum healing and meh dps skills. We're the opposite, at least to some extent.

But SE hardly listens to our comments and concerns, at least over the JPN player base.

Hi. I’m Japanese. I play on the JP sever but I do check back and forth across both JPN/ENG forums to have better neutral understanding of issues and concerns. I Also visits various outside sources as well.
Your friend in the linkshell is clearly wrong. We’ve have had the same SCH concerns and claims ever since 2.0. And with 5.0 update, every region is pretty much on the same page. JP players are also frustrated with this changes.

It’s very funny to see the same kind of comments on both forums when these things happen. I often see comments stating some thing like “Western/Eastern perspectives are different so we need to calm down”. But I’m seeing the same comments with just Western/Eastern parts replaced.

This is very much affected by YoshiP always stating that Westerns and Easterns have different perspectives on the contents.Yes, there were stuffs like Eureka contents were accepted more by the JP player than the ENG players or JP player didn’t really care if Viera race needed the both gender or not. But that’s more of, you know, whatever differences we may have. Lol But honestly, there aren't THAT much differences, especially when it gets to the battle system concerns. Everyone in JP servers love the new jobs, Monks are the least favorite DPS as always and the 5.0 Schalor changes are unwelcomed by the many.

Western thread needs to speak up more for these kind of things. SE tends to lean towards ENG feedback more than the JPN feedback these days. That's because YoshiP wants to bring XIV to WoW or GW level.
Scholars players in JPN doesn't have that much values because we are considered as a huge claimer. A lot of players(other healer jobs) thinks Scholar is at its perfection every time(probably even after 5.0 changes).
Unlike in the western threads, most of the scholar related concerns in the JP threads are turned down by other healer job players(supported by other roles). And when Scholar gets positive updates, every other healer and supporter rages.
Nowadays, SE are more toward neutralizing this ”situation” rather than really trying to balancing out the 3 healers. The boring changes of Scholar is the result of this situation control. And they also wanted to make the job more simple for the newbies. To bring the fun back for the Scholars, western thread needs to speak up louder so that it'll get heard and recognized by the JPN side.