SCH is trash in its current state

[Semirhage]

You're wrong. The weak dps kit combined with what has been said here is the problem.

Look at WHM at 70, not only feels complete, it's a monster.

SCH dps rotation will change very little once you reach 80, and that's the problem; the healing aspect of the job is fine, I guess you can make that argument, it's the other glaring issues what make it really bad.

God I hate to be one of those "you need to wait until savage" people, but...
lol @ "WHM is overpowered" when it's better than Scholar in dungeons, while Scholar has been the most overpowered job in the game for literal years, and its disgustingly busted oGCD healing kit that has made it a raid staple forever has been buffed even further.

I'm annoyed at SCH's damage lobotomy too, but man does it get hard to feel sorry for Scholar mains when we go through this "UGH my main is just as BORING as those peasant White Mages now, we don't deserve to be boring like they do, we need immediate action!" song and dance because one aspect of Scholar's kit is less fun for five minutes.

Welcome to the snooze zone kids. Scholar isn't "especially afflicted" just because it had further to fall off its high horse.

[Shalan]

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This kind of attitude you're throwing about is incredibly counterproductive.
Yes, SCH has been the top dog for healing for years now, but that's not fault of the SCH players, it's fully on the devs. Throwing shade SCHs or finding amusement in the situation as a sort of "revenge" comeuppance is just asinine and petty, especially given how on these forums for years healers of all stripes, including SCHs, were pushing for WHM to get some love so they weren't left out so often.

If WHM was in such dire straits and it made you upset, you should be doubly so upset now that other classes are in similar positions - not gleeful or vindictive - because it shows that the dev team hasn't learned from their mistakes and is content to let others wallow about in the same "snooze zone." If you're truly upset about where WHM was, you shouldn't want anyone to be in that zone.

[Enla]

This kind of attitude you're throwing about is incredibly counterproductive.
Yes, SCH has been the top dog for healing for years now, but that's not fault of the SCH players, it's fully on the devs. Throwing shade SCHs or finding amusement in the situation as a sort of "revenge" comeuppance is just asinine and petty, especially given how on these forums for years healers of all stripes, including SCHs, were pushing for WHM to get some love so they weren't left out so often.

If WHM was in such dire straits and it made you upset, you should be doubly so upset now that other classes are in similar positions - not gleeful or vindictive - because it shows that the dev team hasn't learned from their mistakes and is content to let others wallow about in the same "snooze zone." If you're truly upset about where WHM was, you shouldn't want anyone to be in that zone.

Not only that but if 4.0 is any indication it's not going to last. We're going to be buffed /again/ then overbuffed /AGAIN/ because SE lacks the ability to put in place meaninful healer balance. People were expecting SCH to be nerfed and most of us were fine with it. What we aren't fine with is the dev team who clearly has no healer mains amongst themselves and a deep seated allergy to actually listening to the community in regards to how balance needs to be carried out, actually attempting to balance these classes. Lo and behold, our 'balances' are a joke. It's forced difficulty and frustration that brought classes down to an unacceptable level instead of bringing the class that needed innovation up to standard. I will be SHOCKED if SCH still isn't the meta going forward because these changes just cause frustration, they don't fix really any of the problems people had with SCH barring neutering our faeries.

[Octavian]

Want to echo a lot of the issues raised in this and other threads: I really do feel like SCH would be MUCH improved with ED returner and allowing aetherflow outside of combat. It’s so awkward when a tank pulls a big mob in a dungeon and you can’t use aetherflow yet to put excog on the tank because the mobs haven’t noticed you yet....

[Brandedblade]

I fail to see what the issue is. I've been playing it all day today, and it plays very well to me. It still has the general flow of high dps uptime and weaving ogcd heals. Even with dungeon pulls as long as you ride the lucid dreaming and aetherflow cds your mp sustains itself well enough.

[YanderePrincess]

a deep seated allergy to actually listening to the community in regards to how balance needs to be carried out

This is absolutely untrue. The dev team DOES listen to the community. Just because they don't always implement something the way we specifically want it doesn't mean they're not listening. Listening to the community does NOT mean giving in to the community on every little thing.

[Enla]

This is absolutely untrue. The dev team DOES listen to the community. Just because they don't always implement something the way we specifically want it doesn't mean they're not listening. Listening to the community does NOT mean giving in to the community on every little thing.

In regards to healer balance, they don't. At no point did I say they don't listen to the community /at all/ and I'd thank you not to put words in my mouth.

[Zweiss]

Thank you for contributing to the thread. As a follow-up, I have been playing WHM and the amount of holy spam I can do while running in a dungeon (same gear as my SCH btw) is absurd. WHM has an almost infinite supply of mana to use healing ogcds or just spam holy with gusto and without any concerns.

By the way, Afflatus Solace plus lilies makes sure that I don't even need to use my ogcds while running a dungeon. I ran The Ghymlit Dark using almost no ogcds, save for emergencies. Lilies and Afflatus was more than enough to keep the entire party going, including the tank and tank busters.

Why is WHM literally OP/broken while SCH got trashed so badly?

Do the devs even play their own healers? I have played them all and it's very noticeable how SCH got the short end of the stick with this expansion. I guess it's time to go WHM during ShB.

No they don’t, it’s been confirmed that nobody on the dev team mains any of the healers which is one of the main reasons why they always struggle so much when it comes to balancing them. Also one of the reasons why we haven’t gotten another healer again for the second expansion in a row.

[Sanghelios]

Furthermore, they got 4 job designers for 5 different roles (Tank,Healer,Range,Melee,Caster), while games like Aion have 9 designers.

[Ahrijlaken]

Fire the healer designer one ...