It makes zero sense for the PLD class to have three different skills for AoE

[shao32]

it's in part fault of both, 1 side by SE to clear create favoritism over WAR on balance efforts and those who take rude actitudes about his job and others, i saw many threats this years of WAR man mode, WAR one man army, WAR rules,perfect desing baby, PLD never should tank, DRK is trash memes all around here and other places.

at the same time nobody here say a word about WAR mains when we talk about feedback but mostly we complaing about SE prioroties and some just get salty about this.

i don't think PLD or DRK give just worse feedback across the years at all, looking at heavensward PLD feedback was pretty clear pointing PLD problems and SE just ignore it mostly or say it's not necesary like PLD blocking magic to in the end of the expansion recognize WAR was op and PLD needs block magic, at the same time DRK feedback on stormblood, nobody say a word about WARs and his feedback, ppl just focus on give the best feedback about DRK and his innumerable flaws in the best way posible but SE again show favoritism about WAR and that generate a anti-WAR feedback meme we still see today, if WAR say a word they will be buffed again, what buff WAR will get this patch?, another letter another day without DRK mention on it ect ect, action-reaction.

as i will say it never was the "why do they have it and I don't" actitude you spreading non-WAR mains have but more "¿why WAR is getting everything the other 2 have but better?" specially since the "why do they have it and I don't" was more around WAR side when they ask for an aoe shield.

it's dosen't matter, WAR can be cleary the most OP thing on the earth you can't say a word or blood will run, 6 years of 1 job ruling a role it's not what i call balance, and not everything can be show as math proofs since we lack the formulas to calculate like the limit break and the effort/trivialize oportunity-cost and versatility, the balance is about how the kits intereact with the content too not only numbers despite numbers are one of the most important thing, all being said.

so Kalise give a fair feedback, but missing some things to make it looks better when "WAR gets everything" memes are all day around in a forum where you can read the post in many tones it can sounds good or bad depending of the panorama specially if you post that in a threat that is not WAR feedback, we can discuss the WAR coment on the gunbreaker threat but i considering, looking at WAR history, expect that gunbreaker not being overshadow by WAR midgthy perfect desing its a pretty fair expectation in a "what you expect of gunbreaker" threat.

[Kalise]

as i will say it never was the "why do they have it and I don't" actitude you spreading non-WAR mains have but more "¿why WAR is getting everything the other 2 have but better?" specially since the "why do they have it and I don't" was more around WAR side when they ask for an aoe shield.

Wait, WAR's ASKED for an AoE shield?

That sounds bizarre. Especially since before the random Shake it Off implementation, PLD was literally the only Tank with an AoE shield and it wasn't even a particularly major part of their toolkit (It still isn't to this day. It's "Okay" but it is generally overshadowed by their other tools such as Cover, Intervention and Passage of Arms). I would be most confused with WAR's whom actually would have suggested such a thing.

it's dosen't matter, WAR can be cleary the most OP thing on the earth you can't say a word or blood will run

You can. Just make a thread about it.

Don't just hijack literally every other thread in existence that mentions WAR in the slightest. Actually create a thread for the sole purpose of discussing how OP WAR is and then talk as much as you like about it.

That's the main issue, y'all have these strong feelings that you want to talk about whenever you can but none of you bother to actually make a thread where discussing it in detail is actually topical.

Instead, you wait until you see someone casually reference WAR in a somewhat related way to a different topic (I.e. In this thread about AoE of a Tank I reference both other Tanks AoEs. In that Gunbreaker thread someone reference *Gasp* another Tank that the job will have to compete with, in design as well as balance) and then start to spew out your thoughts on "WAR is OP" irregardless of how relevant it is to the topic.

Since, discussing one of the 3, soon 4 Tanks within a topic on the TANK Subforum is not inherently a faux pas. Especially if one also has wholly on-topic discussion within their post (As my initial post did in fact discuss the topic at hand, which is that of PLD's AoE. I merely also brought up a side note of WAR given that this thread on the whole ends up referring to Tank AoEs in general given that some of the design around PLD's AoE also features in DRK's AoE where they too have a similar case of a more damaging skill just taking place of an AoE they get at the early levels)

[WhyAmIHere]

Wait, WAR's ASKED for an AoE shield?

WAR's generally asked for raid utility. They asked for SiO to do something.
SE saw an "easy" fix to address both those points in one. (read: easy == simple/lazy/little work required)

[Kalise]

WAR's generally asked for raid utility. They asked for SiO to do something.
SE saw an "easy" fix to address both those points in one. (read: easy == simple/lazy/little work required)

yes they did, one of the comon most request of WAR back in 4.0 is giving utility to WAR in form of a party defensive support skill, the most comon sugestion whas an aoe thrill of battle, expand his iriginal effect to all the party or some kind of defensive mitigation.

Oh, so they merely asked for party utility.

Thus you make it seem like they were saying "We don't have an AoE shield like PLD, we should get one!" to further fuel WAR hate...

In fact, no-one asked for an AoE shield at all from what I can see. Instead looking at things like TBN's single target shield but as a health buff instead. Or otherwise AoE Thrill of Battle, which would have been more thematic than an AoE shield.

It was SE that decided to make SiO into an AoE shield. It was not down to WAR's asking for it.

I personally, don't like SiO. I feel it's out of place in WAR. In the same vein, I'd still like it if WAR and DRK had some party utility so as to not have PLD having literally all of it. However, done so in ways that is thematic to WAR and DRK and won't be just copying a PLD skill.

However this is off-topic here. It would make much more sense for me to discuss it in a WAR 5.0 wishlist thread (Much like other roles subforums have for various classes), but I'm afraid to make one because I know it will inevitably just be drowned out by anti-WAR hate posts from most likely 2 very vocal posters whom neither wish to create wishlist threads about their preferred jobs nor wish to create a thread to complain about WAR.

[shao32]

yes they did, one of the comon most request of WAR back in 4.0 is giving utility to WAR in form of a party defensive support skill, the most comon sugestion whas an aoe thrill of battle, expand his iriginal effect to all the party or some kind of defensive mitigation.

here some of the threats thats include a variety of sugestions about party utility, sorry if im not specific with the big one, phone and such.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-potential-fix

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-Utility-Idea

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...eedback-Thread

when someone claim we are "balanced" i considering i can disagree and express my opinion about it, and most of the time involves the extremes of why isnt consider balanced since balance perspective comes from 2 or more sides, in this case WAR ruling and DRK gutted.