Pyros... it's going to be lit

[RyuDragnier]

Here's the ultimate question about rerolling...what will it cost us? If we have Anemos NM spawn rates and it takes the equivalent of 2 gold rank NMs to pay for it, I will accept that. If the price is steep and we're talking Pagos level spawns, I'm out, period. I refuse to do this relic if that's the BS they want us to do. I've done 3 of every relic since ARR, but I will walk right out the damned door.

[ToniRomo]

Even if the gameplay is Pyros is super amazing (ha!) a lot of us will never see it because we gave up with Pagos.

[einschwartz]

I'm barely interested in Pyros because the multi-layered RNG in Pagos has put me off (I like Anemos tho). But allow me to express a feeling I had while reading this:

"The secondaries [of your relic] are randomized so if you want high stats, you're going to have to reroll multiple times"

Oh come on. I retire from grindy-RNG-fest korean mmo to play this game only to see this kind of thing haunts me back?

[Claviusnex]

It doesn't bother me what they do with Pyros. I gave up on Pagos after a couple of tries and will not go back. In fact Pagos was the proverbial straw as I've canceled my sub and will stop logging in after my house demos in a few days.

[Marxam]

I feel like Pyros will have:

-NM fates for leveling
-"Bunny" fates that drop lootboxes that drop Logos actions parts
-Multiple Logos parts needed for crafting actions
-No mount at the start of Pyros
-Another lack luster storyline that can be summed up as "Thanks for getting me this now go away till you are a higher level"
-Heavy RNG and luck tied progression
-Repetitive excessive grinds
-Rare drops that you might never see drop

Though I'm just guessing here so I'm pretty sure this won't happen coming after Pagos and given how Yoshi and team loves to listen to the player community.

[Cabalabob]

I have to admit, as someone who finished 4 relics in ARR and HW, I’ve yet to even get my first relic through pagos. I got step 1 and 2 done through levelling to 35, that felt natural, my relic progressed as I did, much like how light farming in HW came from content I was doing anyway. But then step 3 requires MORE LIGHT FARMING THAN STEP 1 AND 2 COMBINED when I’m already finished with any progression in pagos, so I’m farming that light for the sake of farming that light and nothing else. That’s where I left it and I don’t know if I can motivate myself to pick it back up, let alone do 3 more. This is the first time for a relic where I’ve thought “I’ll Just wait til they nerf it”.

That said, I am going to TRY and force myself through the light farm for at least one relic because I am interested in pyros for the logos system. When I saw the magia board in anemos I felt it was kind of an underdeveloped system and it would have been better if they’d just gone for a system similar to the paradigm system in 13 and that sounds like what the logos system is aiming to be.

[Derio]

No use if pagos is broken.

[UnstablePersonality]

90% of the community will never see pyros or at least the relic from it, Eureka might as well be failed content now, and pagos killed it.

[AppleJinx]

I am all caught up on eureka stuff but I think I'll wait til everything are figured out before I jump in like I did for pagos. But what the heckie is with the random secondary stats though?! They really don't want people to be making multiple weapons when the content is relevant do they.

[Vulcwen]

How bad the secondary RNG is would depend on several factors:
- Is just the stat selection randomized, or also the number of stats and how much of a given stat you get (range of possiblities)
- How much grind does it take for an attempt.

Regardless, it'll be gated behind pagos, which I'm just not going to sit through.