Pyros... it's going to be lit

[Liam_Harper]

Pyros could be amazing content, but we need to get through Pagos first. I don't know about everyone else, but if they don't change the mob-grind style of Pagos I'm not stepping foot in there.

"We've nerfed Pagos, you now only need to grind 1500 mobs instead of 2000" won't cut it. I refuse to pay money to force myself through content I'm not enjoying. The only real fix I can see that would salvage it is to make it so all NM's give a reasonable amount of light. By all means make grinding still more time efficient, but at least let there be the option.

[Solarra]

I refuse to pay money to force myself through content I'm not enjoying.

Preach!
I've seen people here and on Reddit defending Eureka because they didn't find the older relics any fun, either. They might have a point, but that's a terrible reason to keep this content as it is. And for all their faults, at least the older relics had multiple progression paths.

The only real fix I can see that would salvage it is to make it so all NM's give a reasonable amount of light..

That might get me back into Pagos and onto Pyros. The main attraction being I could go into Pagos with friends who are at lower levels and actually play with them.

I suspect this content is having a detrimental effect on the open world (there's no reason to go there now besides hunts), and I suspect it's having a bad effect on player retention. SB is content-light; my Friendlist is dwindling, my FC list has so many people taking breaks. We are struggling to find stuff to do together. The relic was something everyone did last expansion, from the most casual to the hardcore raiders and we all worked on it together. Now we can't.

Social contact is the whole point of playing an MMO. It was the only thing I enjoyed about Anemos, the players made that content not merely bearable but fun, Pagos killed that.

[Alleo]

"The secondaries [of your relic] are randomized so if you want high stats, you're going to have to reroll multiple times"

Well no matter how good the last one might be, I wont set foot into this..so much work for a copy of a failed content..and instead of at least getting some truly new ideas for the relic weapons, we are forced into one content if we want to, still have to farm Light and drops and now have to even deal with more RNG..

Do they even learn from past mistakes? Its like...*has no words for that*

[ManuelBravo]

Well no matter how good the last one might be, I wont set foot into this..so much work for a copy of a failed content..and instead of at least getting some truly new ideas for the relic weapons, we are forced into one content if we want to, still have to farm Light and drops and now have to even deal with more RNG..

Do they even learn from past mistakes? Its like...*has no words for that*

For one is not forced content it's optional. The funny thing is no matter how much we complain people still do it. Also if you looked into the way feed back is being submitted on the last Producer letter http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/374760 they are listening to suggestions. Some of us do Like Eureka even though it could be hell sometimes. As for relic it's just an easy way to catch up who did not do previous along with gear. More updates will be coming and sadly those who have the same perspective of " I won't set foot into this..." always end up doing so sooner or later.

[Alleo]

For one is not forced content it's optional. The funny thing is no matter how much we complain people still do it. Also if you looked into the way feed back is being submitted on the last Producer letter http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/374760 they are listening to suggestions. Some of us do Like Eureka even though it could be hell sometimes. As for relic it's just an easy way to catch up who did not do previous along with gear. More updates will be coming and sadly those who have the same perspective of " I won't set foot into this..." always end up doing so sooner or later.

The main attraction for SB content that is also the only way to get our SB relic. And seeing the feedback a big amount of people dislike it. (While they are using systems and RNGs that people already disliked in the past)

[Galactimus]

The main feature of the third upgrade of the Eureka weapons is that you can push secondary attributes such as spell speed to their maximum limit. It'll be a feature where players can create and attach the stats they would like to. -Yoshi P

Our relic weapons have always given us a step where we can chose what secondary stats to apply. Doesn't sound like there's any RNG involved in this step either.

[BreyVoreas93]

Where was this discussed?? Did I miss a live letter? Anyone with a source/article, I would just like to read through myself. This may be the end of it for me, I have a Pagos relic finished but I will not work on something that has to be retooled to the RNG gods for suitable secondaries.....this is absurd!

[Rowde]

Where was this discussed?? Did I miss a live letter? Anyone with a source/article, I would just like to read through myself. This may be the end of it for me, I have a Pagos relic finished but I will not work on something that has to be retooled to the RNG gods for suitable secondaries.....this is absurd!

afaik, Fan translation of JP Developer Blog on the Lodestone

That being said, I'm interested in the Logos system right now... so I'll reserve judgement til then.
From what it sounds like, Logos system will feature Cross-ROLE skills... allowing for non-traditional (for FFXIV) setups like DPS Tanks and DPS Healers. Which piques my interest... but will it be fun?! Also what are the impacts on Tanks and Healers proper, are they gonna get full ham DPS skills?

[Zephanoa]

I am good with it if it comes close to Anemos. I am also good with the stats because to me it won't matter in the end. The weapon will be relegated to glamour by this time next year if indications of an expansion release are right.

[NessaWyvern]

Welp, looks like my relic is just going to be for glamour, I really don't feel like grinding for RNG any more than I have to.