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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazrah View Post
    Pretty much this is what I thought too. For lore, it starts with answering three questions:

    1) Where did this become a thing? Usually this is tied to a particular nation or region.
    2) Why did this become a thing? Typically jobs are explained as solutions to particular problems.
    3) How does this thing reach the prime protagonist? This would be either be a lone person or representative of some party.

    Most of that stuff is there, but the rule of thumb when it comes to key NPCs for job storylines seems to be exclusivity to those stories and not to any other storyline within the game, with the only exception being Estinien due to potential favoritism (otherwise, he'd have been killed off in Heavensward).
    Awesome, I am just so grateful on the amount of time you're taking to help me out with this concept, I am humbled to the fullest. I will utilize this feedback and polish it even further =)


    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Okay so here is a little exert I sorta made to help you see what we mean by the lore. Also I used Chronosguard since I felt it sounded more "organizationy" based on what i wrote

    Lore:
    Ancient Sharlayan, the center of all knowledge throughout Eorzea, and Warden to those who desired to obtain it.

    For centuries the Scholars of Sharlayan coveted the knowledge of Hydaelyn, preserving it for future generations to wield. Though desired by many, it was obtained by few, becoming vulnerable to the currents of time. Fearing the complete loss of all they have obtained, the implementation of an overseer became paramount. Thus, was the Order of the Chronosgaurd established.

    Separated from time itself, the Chronosguard were tasked with not only preservation but also succession; finding those worthy enough to be adopted into the order. Wielders of scythes and dressed in blackened garb, the Chronosguard were the ones to give rise to the imagery of the reaper of souls. Alas, even those removed from time are not immune to it; with many a scar caused by the transgressions of man. Though mostly forgotten, those that remain are ever vigilant, stalwart in their duty to bestow unto others their collective knowledge.


    Notes:
    1: The quest is started in the Manderville Gold Saucer, to somewhat connect to the Hildibrand quests
    2: Quan and Gigi* from the quest will be mentioned. Quan was to become a successor but his mentor was "removed" from him for some reason. He wasn't a bad person something just happened to his mentor.
    3: Chronosguards are addressed by their last name, and the one you encounter at the Saucer is Chronosguard Quale, a Plainsfolk Lalafell whose full name is Dale Quale(subject to change, lol)
    4: He is at the Saucer since he got a feeling a new recruit would present themselves there (you)
    5: He has another recruit already named Quina, an female Plainsfolk Lalafell whose full name is Quinana Quina. (Lalafells were picked since they are the most androgynous)
    6: Once you become a recruit, you learn about what it means to be a Chronosguard.
    7: The quests would involve more references to FFIX, like the BLMs (Mammets, Porogos[frog drop] and locations like Ipsen's Castle, Fossil Roo, The Marsh, etc.

    This is deep, and absolutely 100% incredible lol. Thank you for this, and if I am able to, I can utilize this as the groundwork for the beginning of polishing up the Lore behind this mysterious Chronosgaurd / Chronos Knight / Time Knight =)


    Kazrah and Eloah y'all have been so helpful and just so patient with my concepts and I so appreciate all the feedback to helping me flesh out this vision of mine. I have a few concept drawings I can hopefully tack on to my image of how this job looks like alongside the Job Icon too.


    I am swamped with work this week so I am hoping to get it all done by the end of the week. This is something I enjoy doing as a hobby, sort of like Fan Fiction I guess you can say.


    See y'all soon, Pat out =)

    *Quick Edit!! I also saw you tied a Scythe with the job as well, a weapon I want to see in FFXIV really badly lol; a Chronosgaurd with a scythe, I like it. I may have to completely change up the weapon skills behind the concept =D
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    Last edited by PatronasCharm; 05-22-2018 at 08:16 PM.

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    I like your idea but I wish the weapons would be a Gunbai war fan (as shield) and chained scythe for weapon. I’m not good with lore and coming up with skills but I think this combo would be a great new class to the series
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linx0r View Post
    I like your idea but I wish the weapons would be a Gunbai war fan (as shield) and chained scythe for weapon. I’m not good with lore and coming up with skills but I think this combo would be a great new class to the series
    Thanks a lot!

    Tonight after work I’m going to re-do somethings alongside lore, and Work on some a new weapon for him that’ll be a scythe.

    The name will change and that’ll also change in the title!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatronasCharm View Post
    Thanks a lot!

    Tonight after work I’m going to re-do somethings alongside lore, and Work on some a new weapon for him that’ll be a scythe.

    The name will change and that’ll also change in the title!
    I hope that we get a new class and that it comes from your idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linx0r View Post
    I hope that we get a new class and that it comes from your idea
    Again thank you! I’m hoping we get to see something along the lines of this, I’ve been wanting a sort of magic hybrid tank; I still need to polish it up, almost done with my reiteration on lore/history/ and changing weapon to scythe. Don’t know if I’ll add a shield to it for cosmetic and shield block use, but we’ll see what comes out.
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    I believe Link could be considered a Knight of Time. haha just need to give this Time Knight an ocarina and a boomerang!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoLupinos View Post
    I'm current developing a Job to FF14, since Yoshida said that they want a Original Job to FF14. It's been years that I'm storing from all games and possible sources about time magic and interesting job mechanics. It's nearly done and it's awesome. I'm just fixing details and doing interviews so that ppl can help me with lore and Job usefullness. It's also about "time & space magic", but more about reality manipulation than classic time mage.
    There we go:
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...V-Original-Job
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linx0r View Post
    I like your idea but I wish the weapons would be a Gunbai war fan (as shield) and chained scythe for weapon. I’m not good with lore and coming up with skills but I think this combo would be a great new class to the series
    Lore is what connects everything for the job. It explains why it exists in the game, why it serves the role it does, and (more importantly) why it uses what weapons it does.

    I'd go with "no" on this one given that such a weapon combo not only makes no real sense given the theme of the job, but any fluid weapons (i.e. chain-based weapons) are a royal pain to properly design. Yes, they're cool, but there's no real lore reason for them to be used, which is the more convincing part other than just the "it's cool" line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaynerH View Post
    I believe Link could be considered a Knight of Time. haha just need to give this Time Knight an ocarina and a boomerang!
    There could always be a fun little pun in the story where the main protagonist is a green garbed Chronosgaurd names Link! =D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazrah View Post
    Lore is what connects everything for the job. It explains why it exists in the game, why it serves the role it does, and (more importantly) why it uses what weapons it does.

    I'd go with "no" on this one given that such a weapon combo not only makes no real sense given the theme of the job, but any fluid weapons (i.e. chain-based weapons) are a royal pain to properly design. Yes, they're cool, but there's no real lore reason for them to be used, which is the more convincing part other than just the "it's cool" line.
    So thanks to Eloah and the lore design he recommended, as well as your recommendation on the name, Chronosguard, I was able to somewhat paraphrase and repurpose it, (for the most part lol) and also added new Scythe Weapon Skills; etc.


    This is my last update, and hopefully I'll some what refine it later down the line with pictures of the Job itself, and how I pictured it in my head.


    Thanks so much to Eloah and Kazrah for all the feedback, recommendations, and just overall support to have helped me flesh the job out even further then what it was.

    I did the following updates:
    • Updated the Lore (Story behind it) < May still need refinement
    • Updated the Name of the Job, it was originally "Time Knight"
    • Updated the Weapon and the Weapon Skills
    • Updated certain abilities to somewhat match a newer "Job," but also have its Roots from a Time Mage
    • Updated certain abilities to be a bit more Polished in Potencies and such
    • Updated the Rotations to match the new WSes


    Again, thanks so much, and there's a special thank you in there for Eloah and Kazrah and my best friend Aerro Hawk (Who I spoke to for assistance in tanking CDs and such), for all the help they did and how they helped me reshape the job.


    Talk to yall later =)
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    Last edited by PatronasCharm; 05-24-2018 at 10:34 PM.

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