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  1. #21
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    Baxta Chumblewit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fated View Post
    Your guide is well designed, but what does it bring to the table that hasn't already been discussed to death? There are already several guides floating around that cover this fight with the cookie cutter setup. Show me a video of you tackling it with a mix of different DDs and now you have my interest.

    This really is for everyone to be honest. I hear a lot of talk about "oh we did it two Marauders" or "we did it without Archers" but I have yet to see any videos. Show me your stuff folks!
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    This is a video of ours, though this particular run has only 2 LNC I think? We generally take 1 GLA, 2 CNJ and 2 ARCs minimum, but any other spots are fair game for any classes. I recall a run tonight for example with 2 ARC, 2 MRD and 1 LNC. The only benefit for ARC in this fight is shadowbind, if your DPS are any good they can parse as high if not higher than ARCs with little problem. Class stacking 5 ARCs really doesn't have huge benefits at all.

    We tried it with one ARC, but we didn't change our kill order, so it wasn't that great. With only 1 ARC you have to keen flurry shadowbind which hurts your DPS, since you should be using it on quick knock. Then resists are a different matter on top of that. It was a bit sloppy all told. We have enough people that enjoy ARC that running with 2 is easy, so rather than adjust our kill order we just do that.
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  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxta View Post
    video

    This is a video of ours, though this particular run has only 2 LNC I think? We generally take 1 GLA, 2 CNJ and 2 ARCs minimum, but any other spots are fair game for any classes. I recall a run tonight for example with 2 ARC, 2 MRD and 1 LNC. The only benefit for ARC in this fight is shadowbind, if your DPS are any good they can parse as high if not higher than ARCs with little problem. Class stacking 5 ARCs really doesn't have huge benefits at all.

    We tried it with one ARC, but we didn't change our kill order, so it wasn't that great. With only 1 ARC you have to keen flurry shadowbind which hurts your DPS, since you should be using it on quick knock. Then resists are a different matter on top of that. It was a bit sloppy all told. We have enough people that enjoy ARC that running with 2 is easy, so rather than adjust our kill order we just do that.
    3 ARC is not really worth showing IMO, done easily even with a half pickup party.

    2 ARCs, or just any setup that doesn't contain the same jobs more than 2 times would be interesting, especially if honest success rate is provided.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilean View Post
    3 ARC is not really worth showing IMO, done easily even with a half pickup party.

    2 ARCs, or just any setup that doesn't contain the same jobs more than 2 times would be interesting, especially if honest success rate is provided.
    Glad you read my post, where I explain we do it all the time, with an honest success rate and support the idea of mixing classes. But hey, this is the lodestone, it's easier to just post without actually reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxta View Post
    Glad you read my post, where I explain we do it all the time, with an honest success rate and support the idea of mixing classes. But hey, this is the lodestone, it's easier to just post without actually reading.
    Whatever man, if you wanna act all hurt then be my guest. I was simply encouraging you to share those videos since 3 ARC wins are too common.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilean View Post
    Whatever man, if you wanna act all hurt then be my guest. I was simply encouraging you to share those videos since 3 ARC wins are too common.
    haha, naw it's more the idea that I'd have to FRAPS another run, which is no problem but uploading to youtube on my upload is a royal pain in the ass. I'll probably do it sometime though, if only to add support for more people dropping the needless ARC stacking strategy.
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    Mikita Nightsong
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    Erwald,

    Thank you for posting this guide.

    I often go with different groups of friends and we still have difficulty beating this fight.
    Not everyone finds this battle so easy, and I learned a few useful pieces of information from you.

    It is a very well put together guide and the graphics are a very nice touch.
    Thank you for your effort to help other players!
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  7. #27
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    Erwald Lionguard
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    No problem Mikita, it's my first post in english part. i'm very happy to help more people than only french players \(^o^)/.
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