Request: Hempen Garb - Racial Unlock

[Magic-Mal]

Except on one hand you had a game that was an absolute mess on a technical level and financially, impossible to sustain and on the other hand, you have a couple of of pairs of digital underwear. If they didn't alter the first, none of us would even be here discussing the latter. Soooo they're kinda not even remotely the same thing

And on the third hand that grew out of my back, you could also use the argument to ask why this game was changed from 2.0 and should've stayed the same way then because the devs chose to make it that way. See where I'm getting at?

[Galaktica]

And on the third hand that grew out of my back, you could also use the argument to ask why this game was changed from 2.0 and should've stayed the same way then because the devs chose to make it that way. See where I'm getting at?

Well, you should've just said that from the beginning because although it's not a good an argument as you think, it's much better than your first. You're still willfully ignoring the point of Alacran's post though. He did not say the devs did everything on purpose and/or everything should stay the same. He was essentially pointing out out that the hempen sets were just one aspect clearly designed with a vision and not everything needs to be changed.

Of course they're going to change stuff because ideas that were good 4 years ago or even 4 months ago may not seem so great now. The point is maybe, just maybe the devs still currently really like some of their ideas (e.g. racial gear) so why should they be forced to change that?

[Fawkes]

For my part, a story exists there (even if only in my head). FFXI had us quest for RSE at one time, iirc there was no lore tied to it but it's form was just a recolor of the starter set, at the time i was a bit disappointed that there so few changes made to these new variants of the gear. However even then i recognized as something made by the developers to differentiate the races. It was how they wanted us to perceive them with out having to hold our hand and tell us tale of how our Highlander ancestors were the first to make bondage gear that would be the envy of near every cat ...girl... in the future.

FFXI did RSE way better than FFXIV. Mithra RSE was a loincloth because they were a tribe of jungle cat people. And you could go to Kazham and see a bunch of mithra NPCs wearing the RSE loincloth. You didn't need to be told why only mithra wore that because it was obvious through the world building. However, in FFXIV I need someone to explain why only miqo'te are allowed to wear this sexy schoolgirl halloween costume RSE, because it doesn't really seem evocative of their tribal roots and there's no miqo'te city where all the NPCs run around in miniskirts.

To me it seems like FFXIV has RSE because FFXI did and that's it. I wouldn't be opposed to having new RSE but they would have to do some work to make it believable as RSE for me to not immediately be asking for the one I think looks the best to be equippable by my race too.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

However, in FFXIV I need someone to explain why only miqo'te are allowed to wear this sexy schoolgirl halloween costume RSE, because it doesn't really seem evocative of their tribal roots and there's no miqo'te city where all the NPCs run around in miniskirts.

In all honesty, the only RSE that makes "sense" in terms of appearance is probably the Au Ra set - and even there, I still feel it works more for xaela than for raen. But the rest of the gear on other races? I have absolutely no idea how it relates to their culture or history at all.

I'm all for tearing down unnecessary locks on gear and glamour items. While the RSE makes little sense to me, it's fine to have those locked for whatever lore purposes one wishes to justify them with somehow - but.... come on. Underwear is race-based? Lmao.

[Skivvy]

People seem to have a strange hangup about miqo having the option to wear the highlander straps.

[AmiBeau]

OP here. I would like to chime in after reading all of this. I understand some people's opinions that some items should be more racially specific; however, for certain instances it should not be. An example where it would be appropriate was in Guild Wars 2; there was racial gear that was tailored to the lore and the culture of each unique race (i.e. Norn having antlered helms leather armor mixed with metal, over sized because the race is large in stature and muscular because of the harsh environment, and designs befitting of their "Druidic/One with nature culture."). Undergarments made of cloth don't fit such criteria in my opinion. A skilled tailor from any race would be able to replicate/tailor such articles of clothing; as opposed to a smith or tanner that is skilled with their people's methodologies that have been passed down and are guarded to fit their people's needs.

If it makes those with dissenting opinions tolerant; they could just as well make a new article of clothing that fits the other races under a different name, such as "Tailored Highlander Hempen Camise."

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Just to piggyback off the above. There is a stark difference between the Hempen sets and Artifact Gear. One is simply underwear no different than if I wore boxers or panties. The other has franchise roots tying to those particular aesthetics. Personally, I still wouldn't be opposed to it being opened up, however I appreciate that argument because it makes sense. Right now, we're arguing whether underwear identities your race, and it's silly.

[Cherie]

I feel you guys as far as glamour being the "true" endgame... but I don't really understand the point of view as to have the "race" attire to be used by other races.

I mean sure, I will first say that I don't see what would be wrong with allowing people to wear whatever they want.

Secondly though, if you think about it, is this really a priority the devs should have? Because wearing the other race's attire is kinda tacky if you aren't that race. If you are American and suddenly you decided to wear a full kimono and getta sandals to work, that is your choice of course. But isn't it a just a little bit weird?

Maybe you guys can explain it to me. I know this is a fantasy game of course, and maybe you are just saying to wear it as a stylistic choice and you don't really care about the context of the games story but....still...why those clothes?

I see so many threads like this asking a simple question "Why not?" in regard to some specific minor change... and all I can think of is "But why tho?"

[Vahlnir]

I see so many threads like this asking a simple question "Why not?" in regard to some specific minor change... and all I can think of is "But why tho?"

This is kinda how I see it, too. Do I care if they add this? Not really. I just think they should put or keep it on the backburner until they take care of more pressing issues.

[Oscura]

This is kinda how I see it, too. Do I care if they add this? Not really. I just think they should put or keep it on the backburner until they take care of more pressing issues.

People talk as if this exclusively requires them to take away from another issue, or that it has to be a "focus." Sometimes I forget that Square Enix is a small indie company working out of Yoshida's garage.