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    This is the first time I have used the crafting simulator so I am sure I have pooped the bed at some point. So any advice you can give me would be great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archchancellor View Post


    This is the first time I have used the crafting simulator so I am sure I have pooped the bed at some point. So any advice you can give me would be great.
    First of all you aught to have more CP, much more. It is comfortably doable without, but this relies on luck with triggering the first 2 touches, and having enough ToT procs. Secondly, you really should be using Ingenuity/II for Byregot's Blessing, it far outclasses Innovation.

    I did accidentally try a main craft without food, and I had to rely seriously on hitting Tricks of the Trade just to afford getting Byregot's Blessing, but that said, the rotation I used day 2 wasn't really designed for minimum CP.

    If you haven't already, I really would suggest aiming to complete your crafting quests so you have access the OP ability that is Manipulation II. After that you'll find with a little more proper ability usage you should be good to go

    EDIT: Don't use Piece by Piece without Steady Hand up. Also, you can save an additional 42 CP by using standard Waste Not. You're covering Waste Not II, for effectively 3 steps of the 8 it provides. Given that Maker's Mark removes the CP, and DUR cost of Flawless Synth. If you can get an additional 8 CP, whether it be from getting tricks of the trade procs, or doing a little melding then you can do a cheaper, but slightly less effective non-RNG rotation to what people here have proposed with Prudent If you don't have the gil to afford melds, then you may want to look at doing some gathering, and doing some red scrips for your crafter and spending them on Grade IV materia rather than getting from the marketboard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    EDIT: Don't use Piece by Piece without Steady Hand up.
    Oh derp I meant to hit Steady hand 2 for that, not waste not 2 lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    If you can get an additional 8 CP, whether it be from getting tricks of the trade procs, or doing a little melding then you can do a cheaper, but slightly less effective non-RNG rotation to what people here have proposed with Prudent
    What rotation is that?And I can get 8 more CP if I meld my Main and off hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archchancellor View Post
    What rotation is that?And I can get 8 more CP if I meld my Main and off hand.
    This was just a quick rush together, but provided you can get the 12,208 base quality you will always HQ, give or take, with more, or less control
    EDIT: Just a heads up on here I have put Innovation then Ingenuity II, Swap those around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archchancellor View Post


    This is the first time I have used the crafting simulator so I am sure I have pooped the bed at some point. So any advice you can give me would be great.
    Since you're taking on the new 2 star with the minimal stats and under-average amount of CP, I'm gonna have to be really harsh on your rotation if I am to help you succeed.

    (1) The 1st Comfort Zone can be activated 1 step earlier.
    (2) Instead of WN II, use SH II there.
    (3) With the minimal stats that you have, it is critical that you take at least 5 Tricks of Trades in the MaMa phase. You need to assume that in the simulator here, so that means you will have a lot less progress done during the MaMa phase (also because of failed FS). Thus, you can safely assume yourself 360 progress less from the MaMa phase (which means you need to make this up later in your rotation).
    (4) In order not to overshoot your CP pool, you must spend more CP during the MaMa phase. The best way to do it is to use Manip2 early. However, with only 3x PBP, your durab is at 40/70. So you must reduce it by another 10 before activating Manip2, or you will overshoot durab. Hence, I recommend using 1 Patient Touch right after the 3x PBP since you're already under SH II there. After that, activate Manip2. Because of these 2 actions, you will lose another 80 progress from the MaMa phase. But it's the best you can do to help regain your CP pool using Tricks during MaMa phase.
    (5) Drop the use of Hasty Touches + Master's Mend II, and start using Prudent Touches + Manip II. You don't really have room to allow any touch to fail.
    (6) Try add in Ingen for the second round of Prudent spam. At IQ11, it will increase the power of each touch from 800-ish to 1400-ish.
    (7) Your finisher Blessing phase is way off... Firstly, there's no need to use SH II, you can use SH. Secondly, you missed out Great Strides, which doubles the power. Thirdly, you missed Ingen2 (please visit this thread to find out why we need to use Ingen2: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rk-Rotation%29)
    (8) You can also try to use the "Miracle+Brow" approach which I clearly found to be stronger and discussed in the same thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rk-Rotation%29).
    (9) Instead of finishing with a naked CS, you should be using CS III or CS II under the power of Ingen2.

    I can usually push about ~26000 quality with the above approach (using similar craftsmanship and control as you, but a lot more CP than you). This rotation is of course RNG-based. But it hasn't failed me so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    Since you're taking on the new 2 star with the minimal stats and under-average amount of CP, I'm gonna have to be really harsh on your rotation if I am to help you succeed.
    Not a problem I want to learn but as I said I am really new to this

    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    (2) Instead of WN II, use SH II there.
    That was me just pooping the bed their


    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    (4) In order not to overshoot your CP pool, you must spend more CP during the MaMa phase. The best way to do it is to use Manip2 early. However, with only 3x PBP, your durab is at 40/70. So you must reduce it by another 10 before activating Manip2, or you will overshoot durab. Hence, I recommend using 1 Patient Touch right after the 3x PBP since you're already under SH II there. After that, activate Manip2. Because of these 2 actions, you will lose another 80 progress from the MaMa phase. But it's the best you can do to help regain your CP pool using Tricks during MaMa phase.
    I get this, it because I should not have any wasted ToT during the MaMa phase. While I was testing some crafts in game I ended up with max CP but I was not sure what to spend it on. So if I take my Durab to 30/70 I can use Manip2 so as soon as the Mama Phase is over I am at full durab and (hopefully) full CP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    (5) Drop the use of Hasty Touches + Master's Mend II, and start using Prudent Touches + Manip II. You don't really have room to allow any touch to fail.
    (6) Try add in Ingen for the second round of Prudent spam. At IQ11, it will increase the power of each touch from 800-ish to 1400-ish.
    I feel really dumb for not knowing that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    (7) Your finisher Blessing phase is way off... Firstly, there's no need to use SH II, you can use SH. Secondly, you missed out Great Strides, which doubles the power. Thirdly, you missed Ingen2 (please visit this thread to find out why we need to use Ingen2: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rk-Rotation%29)
    Normally I do use Great strides and Ingen2 this was just me pooping the bed again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    (8) You can also try to use the "Miracle+Brow" approach which I clearly found to be stronger and discussed in the same thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rk-Rotation%29).
    I have never tried any of the specialist skill before. But I will read up about it more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    I can usually push about ~26000 quality with the above approach (using similar craftsmanship and control as you, but a lot more CP than you). This rotation is of course RNG-based. But it hasn't failed me so far.
    So using your and Kaurhz advice I have been able to make the Head, Body and legs of the Ala Mhigan gear in HQ starting with some HQ mats I managed to get it to 84% before finishing the craft.
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