Quote Originally Posted by AdvancedWind View Post
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Light Shot is the archer regular shot, it doesn't really count. All the other skills you are looking for are likely old Guild Mark abilities, those have either been removed or became weaponskills.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, how dose is not count ? It initiated battle with no training point cost, and its on a DoW. That fits the 2 pre-req of the debate in which you and another garunteed previously do not exist. I also know for a fact that I have 4, none TP requiring abilitied avaliable to my PGL, MRD, and GLD, that are initial attacks.

No sir, I am not mistaken, Nothing I refere to is "most likely" guildmarks or anything else.

Perhaps some folks need to get in game and use some of the abilities , check out some of what crosses classes, and learn the system a little more, before attempting to educate the community. At this point all thats occuring is the purpetuation of misinformation.