Concerning 1.20 and Job/Class Adjustment

**Kinseykinz** · 12-20-2011 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by Deli

I really think this patch did a good job on class balancing.
Even gld has some pretty impressive combo move for DD.

I tested my con magic att ability on Moogle battle, so is against L50-55 mobs, it's not too far off my full-geared THM. Certainly, these mages nuke is not over the DD since there is the mp problem. So, please go test and feel (/chuckle) the game. It's not the same I-can-just-stand-there-and-be-awesome game. You need to be more skillful to be awesome this time.

Big Deli is awesome

Also, we need to hang out more :P

**Deli** · 12-20-2011 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Velhart

I don't know what others are talking about, my LNC still does an insane amount of damage, even in the Moogle fight. Only real disadvantage I have in the Moogle battle is that I am a victim of AoE attacks, and I heal myself for that, along with using Sentinel at the right time.

Start with Power Surge, then I begin my first combo, Vorpal Thrust(behind) > Impulse Drive(side) > Keen Flurry > Chaos Thrust, then I continue with Full Thrust(front) > Leg Sweep > Blood for Blood > Doomspike, then I do Power Surge again, then I repeat the first combo, and then I use Full Thrust(front) > Heavy Thrust until combos come up. I keep a pretty well consistent DPS pace with this.

I'm sure there may be better ways, but I found myself being efficient with this setup. I think anyone is a great DPS if they learn how to use their combo system efficiently.

+1 to you
as Yoshi-P said he wants to reward skillful players.

**Noir** · 12-20-2011 06:29 AM

You can't solo mobs lvl. 50-55 with thm period.
Thm is somehow usefull at parties. All other classes got buffed on both ends. Solo/party.
You guys saying that thm is the motherfucking god now are drunk. If you dont kill the enemies with your combo, prepare to run...

**Deli** · 12-20-2011 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Noir

You can't solo mobs lvl. 50-55 with thm period.
Thm is somehow usefull at parties. All other classes got buffed on both ends. Solo/party.
You guys saying that thm is the motherfucking god now are drunk. If you dont kill the enemies with your combo, prepare to run...

:O!
I killed lots (/chuckle) L50-54 mobs for my attack magic test. I don't even bust out my abilities yet cus it will ruin my test.
here is the list of stuffs I killed pretty much. some conclusion made in this thread at here if you wanna know

for most L50-52 and some L53, I can finish them with 1 sequence. I got 750ish exp. still left with unbroken stoneskin (for L50-52) and sometimes even full mp cus that give-you-mp-back-after-magic skill.

Edit: I'm not helping isn't it XD
oh hmm I'm actually agree thm is not over-powered

**PrettyPrincess** · 12-20-2011 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Noir

You can't solo mobs lvl. 50-55 with thm period.
Thm is somehow usefull at parties. All other classes got buffed on both ends. Solo/party.
You guys saying that thm is the motherfucking god now are drunk. If you dont kill the enemies with your combo, prepare to run...

funny i was just soloing things on thm in natalan before the maintenance. so you want to try and say that again?

**Kinseykinz** · 12-20-2011 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Noir

You can't solo mobs lvl. 50-55 with thm period.
Thm is somehow usefull at parties. All other classes got buffed on both ends. Solo/party.
You guys saying that thm is the motherfucking god now are drunk. If you dont kill the enemies with your combo, prepare to run...

LOL's first thing I did is go out and solo Level 50 stuff on my THM and CNJ.... I have yet to die soloing since patch so not quite understanding why THM can't solo rank 50-55ish mobs. Maybe you were doing it wrong?

**evilmica** · 12-20-2011 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mamba

Ahem... I doubt this.
Look at BLM on 11.. It nukes are insane ... and then it runs out of MP. It hasn't been patched nor it should be. Same goes with THM.

I dont get why ppl dont see this. BLM downfall is stupid waiting around getting mp while every other dd is going crazy. For a game that makes you choose w/e you want to be you cant expect balance this balance that bs. You can only makes certain mobs have higher resistance to certain jobs. Which would then force ppl to play different jobs. Everybody said Arc was broken then they hella gimped it then Lnc was broken now they fix it. Now they're saying Thm is broken and need to be fix? seriously? Every time you ppl cry for a fix you already know whats going to happens. See now Thm is actually working as intended and every bodies blasting it because they prefer a melee dd that can damage and tank at the same time and don't need to get mp back because they only really use mp for cure and raise. How is that balance again?

**Kinseykinz** · 12-20-2011 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by evilmica

Thm is actually working as intended and every bodies blasting it because they prefer a melee dd that can damage and tank at the same time and don't need to get mp back because they only really use mp for cure and raise. How is that balance again?

Hehehe...didn't you know it's not about what damage everyone else in the party can do but rather, how can they make me look more awesome!. Many players focus only on their own individual DD output and forget that it's the party's DD output and Damage Mitagating Moves that make them successful.

**Noir** · 12-20-2011 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

LOL's first thing I did is go out and solo Level 50 stuff on my THM and CNJ.... I have yet to die soloing since patch so not quite understanding why THM can't solo rank 50-55ish mobs. Maybe you were doing it wrong?

Oh boy... Try getting seals for your company with a time based system lvl 5 quest and then we talk about it.

**Coglin** · 12-20-2011 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by ispano

Here's your information. This was part of the original description for Archers when the game was released.

"Constant assessment of the battlefield enables them to carefully determine the most advantageous ground from which to loose, as well as the nature of the arrows best suited to their enemy. Together with the longbow sentries of the Elezen military, the shortbow hunters among the Miqo'te are widely regarded as the most skilled with a bow. the guild's teachings cover a variety of projectile weapons, down to the simplest throwing rock."

I fail to see how this has anything to do with the auto attack that is a punch based melee attack that was the point of discussion about what makes archer a melee. I was very specific to refere to auto attack, which was also the point of the dev post, I quoted. Whats the fact that we can throw rocks and misc. other projectiles have to do with the fact that we have a close range only auto attack?

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