Thread: Concerning 1.20 and Job/Class Adjustment

Originally Posted by ispano

Archers don't punch the mob, they throw rocks at it. One of the original descriptions for Archers even mention they are good at throwing rocks.
Original descriptions, are you kiddng me? original descriptions also say THM are the masters of CC and Debuffing in FFXIV as well, whats your point? Try playing the class, they punch. If we were throwing a rock we would be able to be more the one yalm away to do it. Thus we would have a ranged AA.

Also: "Melee" has been adopted and popularized as a term in war-gaming, board games, tabletop role-playing games and video games to encompass all close-quarter fighting and directly striking an opponent at ranges generally less than a few feet with, but not only, fists, feet, knives, rifle-butts or any other melee weapon or special spells or tactics with the intention of causing harm.

I said dictionary not wikipedia. Which is precisely where you got that.

Wikipedia is a free, web-based, collaborative, multilingual encyclopedia project supported by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation. Its 20 million articles (over 3.82 million in English alone) have been written collaboratively by volunteers around the world (articles not definitions or even facts for that matter). Almost all of its articles can be edited by anyone with access to the site,[It has become the largest and most popular general reference work

The definition I gave were actual facts and official definitions. not public concensus. just because 1 million people incorrectly use a word, or term the same way does not by any means make it true. Wikipedia is general reference, not always fact.

None of that changes the fact, that there was a need to level out physical damage of the DoWs, which is how this got started. Lancers all got there feelings hurt. They leveled the damage of the various DoW classes to solve the imbalance.

Originally Posted by ispano

Plus they still throw rocks.

You sir are a liar.

Originally Posted by Bayohne

Welp. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news (to some, and good news to others, I suppose)... But the "ARC auto-attack" on the action list was actually a mistake. It should have read "ARC standard attack" which is what I've updated that to. ARCs auto-attack will remain a swift punch in the face come patch 1.20 with the manual shot process remaining as it is currently.

Last time I checked, A swift punch to the face was a melee attack.

Originally Posted by ispano

So would you still like to call me a liar?

Absolutely. You made this claim that the discription or devs said that archers auto attack was throwing rocks. You did so intentionally. You did so again after being corrected. You did so, posting no proof to support your claim of this discription.

Originally Posted by Mamba

Thank you... Was going to reply this myself, but you got there first. I think anyone critizising a nuking mage doing too much damage should play that job themselves, see how long they can nuke the big nukes until the run out of MP or die...

I am okay with them giving THM the level of damage per cast they are. I feel the general concensus is correct here. The trade off for that great and powerfull burst damage is that its unsustainable due to MP consumption, and thats reasonable. Sure it could possibly use some slight tweaking.

I admit though it is disappointing to see so few of the mage abilities cross class. The 2 mage abilities are indeed different now, but should be more capable of meshing together well and sharing abilities, especially with the nukes.

Originally Posted by ispano

Here's your information. This was part of the original description for Archers when the game was released.

"Constant assessment of the battlefield enables them to carefully determine the most advantageous ground from which to loose, as well as the nature of the arrows best suited to their enemy. Together with the longbow sentries of the Elezen military, the shortbow hunters among the Miqo'te are widely regarded as the most skilled with a bow. the guild's teachings cover a variety of projectile weapons, down to the simplest throwing rock."

I fail to see how this has anything to do with the auto attack that is a punch based melee attack that was the point of discussion about what makes archer a melee. I was very specific to refere to auto attack, which was also the point of the dev post, I quoted. Whats the fact that we can throw rocks and misc. other projectiles have to do with the fact that we have a close range only auto attack?