Observe now 7 CP??!!

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Doing easy math since you have to account for the inital cost... you would loose a total of 66-10((8-7)*10) meaning total cost is 56 cp just to wait for 10 steps. At the 25% proc of good we would get 2 procs (since you can't double proc) netting us each 27 cp. 27*2= 54 cp. RNG could bless you but it's a gamble

Ah, you're right. Even if two Tricks appears, it's still a -2 CP loss :/

[ChameleonMS]

over 10 steps it will average -2 CP, over 20 steps it will average +16 because over 20 steps, that would 5 procs at 25%. So yes, we can very likely do indefinitely.

I would only consider using something like this when HT has a poor RNG run on the final product.

[StouterTaru]

I would only consider using something like this when HT has a poor RNG run on the final product.

A couple new skills have a bonus (100% success) when used immediately after Observe

[ChameleonMS]

A couple new skills have a bonus (100% success) when used immediately after Observe

Really? I do not see that in the patch notes. Was it in the Live Letter or something else?

[AlphaSonic]

Really? I do not see that in the patch notes. Was it in the Live Letter or something else?

In reddit they've done (I don't know if I can get banned for using the word in this forum so I'm going to avoid it) suspicious stuff to get the information.

[Silverbane]

over 10 steps it will average -2 CP, over 20 steps it will average +16 because over 20 steps, that would 5 procs at 25%. So yes, we can very likely do indefinitely.

Unless I missed a change in the Patch Notes, the odds of a G/E proc are not 25%. It's more like 9% (L60 2-star) or 14% (L58) depending on the level of the recipe.
See http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ar-L60-recipes

So on average you'd get one ToT doing CZ+10xObs on an L60 2-star craft. If lucky, two.

In the former case, your spent net CP is 66(Cz) + 9x7 (9xObs) + 10x-8 (CZ rebates) + 1x-20 (ToTs) = 66+63-80-20 = 29 CP.

In the latter case, your spent net CP is 66(Cz) + 8x7 (8xObs) + 10x-8 (CZ rebates) + 2x-20 (ToTs) = 66+56-80-40 = 2 CP.

Not something you can maintain forever. But still, this change makes Observe useful, for the first time.

[ChameleonMS]

Unless I missed a change in the Patch Notes, the odds of a G/E proc are not 25%. It's more like 9% (L60 2-star) or 14% (L58) depending on the level of the recipe.
See http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ar-L60-recipes

Excellent resource, Thanks.