EU Confirmed as 3rd Rate Customer

[LORD_METATRON]

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...0716040e34a5b6

no free transfer

[Kosmos992k]

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...0716040e34a5b6

no free transfer

Excuse me, but when the EU data enter was created, wasn't there an opportunity to move? This move affects the remaking North America servers, why would there be any free transfers to EU? Seems you want two bites at this cherry, does that really make you 3rd class?

[Zojha]

Excuse me, but when the EU data enter was created, wasn't there an opportunity to move?

If I recall correctly - Yes, there was.

Away from them, not to them.

Ah, yes. Source here:
http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...8c71cb4be72616

Because the Chaos data center is being relocated, certain players may find they are no longer playing on a desirable World. In order to address this issue, players will be allowed to transfer from Worlds within the Chaos data center to Worlds within the Elemental, Gaia, Mana, Aether, or Primal data centers free of charge for one week.

Residents in the North American region playing on the Chaos data center may begin to experience issues with latency after the transition. We ask that you try the game after the transfer, and if you experience connectivity issues disruptive to gameplay, consider using the free World transfer service while it is available.

[Kosmos992k]

If I recall correctly - Yes, there was.

Away from them, not to them.

Ah, yes. Source here:
http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...8c71cb4be72616

Wasn't chaos designated the EU data center at the time already? So players had a choice before. Be that as it may, I thought I remeberd a one time only serve transfer offered, but I may be misremembering the one you provided a link for. TY for the link.

[Zojha]

Wasn't chaos designated the EU data center at the time already? So players had a choice before.

That's a dumb argument because the same applies to NA players who were sitting on Chaos at the time.

They've set the precedent, the same reasoning they used for the precedent applies now so it is not at all unreasonable to expect them to offer free transfers again. There is one and ONLY one argument to be made in favor of the lack of transfers and that is that the increase in latency might not be noticeable, because the servers aren't moving far.

That one argument is valid. Everything else is idiots being idiots. And I have no respect for idiots, regardless of where they come from.

[Kosmos992k]

That's a dumb argument because the same applies to NA players who were sitting on Chaos at the time.

They've set the precedent, the same reasoning they used for the precedent applies now so it is not at all unreasonable to expect them to offer free transfers again. There is one and ONLY one argument to be made in favor of the lack of transfers and that is that the increase in latency might not be noticeable, because the servers aren't moving far.

That one argument is valid. Everything else is idiots being idiots. And I have no respect for idiots, regardless of where they come from.

I wasn't making an argument, I was stating from what I remembered from the EU Data center. You provided a link that clarified it. So thank you.

Good grief, why is everyone around here so aggressive?

Every westener is a third rate consumer for Square Enix

Westerner? Really?

[era1Ne]

Excuse me, but when the EU data enter was created, wasn't there an opportunity to move? This move affects the remaking North America servers, why would there be any free transfers to EU? Seems you want two bites at this cherry, does that really make you 3rd class?

I agree with you on this one, because we aren't 3rd class costumers in europe and those people who stayed on NA servers have only themselves to blame imo, because they had to change to move and Square as every other company or even goverment for that matter, can't make an decision in favour of 10% (random number) people and ignore the needs and demands of the other 90%. The new data center was necessary as they've explained and if 10% (again random number) people suffer from worse lags, then so be it as harsh as it sounds.

See the difference there it not the same, EU data center moved to a different region to a a EU region so NA players were given the option to transfer to a NA server to in the NA region. With this NA data center location the data center remaining in the NA region.

The situations are similar as you explained, but not the same. EU players got the offer, because they made an data center available on their continent. This time they just move it from A to B in the US. I believe if they ever switch the date center in EU then we won't get an free transfer aswell, because this is not an continent change.

[Theodric]

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No, they're not to blame at all. I already outlined it in my previous post but it's well worth repeating. European players who started the game before the European servers were created would have - understandably - invested a lot of time, effort and social networking to lead them to become rather comfortable on their server of choice. Adding European servers may have lured some people over there but there's still a decent number of European players who did not move over. You're expecting them to pay a real life fee as well as to sacrifice most of their acquired gil due to transfer limitations and a house if they're lucky enough to own one. In addition, you expect them to also abandon any established social networks and commitments.

[era1Ne]

No, they're not to blame at all. I already outlined it in my previous post but it's well worth repeating. European players who started the game before the European servers were created would have - understandably - invested a lot of time, effort and social networking to lead them to become rather comfortable on their server of choice. Adding European servers may have lured some people over there but there's still a decent number of European players who did not move over. You're expecting them to pay a real life fee as well as to sacrifice most of their acquired gil due to transfer limitations and a house if they're lucky enough to own one. In addition, you expect them to also abandon any established social networks and commitments.

And because of these 10% (random number) people the game should stay this way and not evolve because of US date center limitations? sorry, but it was THEIR decision to not move over to the EU ones. They have to think about the bigger part of the community, their desire and demands. We want the game to evolve and the old data center was not up to the task. Simple as that. I know it is bad for those people, but for "the greater good" htey had to make this hard decision. I can totally understand that some are angry or feel left behind, but i strongly believe, if there was another way, Square would have done it.

My point is and maybe my english gets in the way here, is that they made the decision to stay and Square Enix never said the datacenter stays where it is. You traded basically your ping for your ingame friends and so on. And now you got to deal with the decision, just like those who moved had to deal with theirs a few years ago.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

No, they're not to blame at all. I already outlined it in my previous post but it's well worth repeating. European players who started the game before the European servers were created would have - understandably - invested a lot of time, effort and social networking to lead them to become rather comfortable on their server of choice. Adding European servers may have lured some people over there but there's still a decent number of European players who did not move over. You're expecting them to pay a real life fee as well as to sacrifice most of their acquired gil due to transfer limitations and a house if they're lucky enough to own one. In addition, you expect them to also abandon any established social networks and commitments.

The servers were designated EU from the launch of 2.0, and players on legacy servers were able to freely transfer to Ragnarok at the time. Those that chose to stay on non EU designated worlds made their beds then.