well then....

[seekified]

Of course if that ever happens, you have the right to submit a ticket.

No, SE have stated that a "difference in playstyle" is a valid reason to kick someone from a party. As long as the kicked player did not experience verbal abuse or harassment, it's unlikely anything would be done.

[Cleftobismal]

No, SE have stated that a "difference in playstyle" is a valid reason to kick someone from a party. As long as the kicked player did not experience verbal abuse or harassment, it's unlikely anything would be done.

I find this false because on many occasions SE has stressed the options "Harassment" "Afk" "Disconnected" is what it is and cannot be used for anything else.

They will punish you if you start believing it can be used for a "difference in play style" you speak. Provided you were reported for it.

The Terms of Service and Conduct have nothing to do with the way you play. Don't dps as a healer, don't cross class provoke, eat all the indicators, refuse to aoe and single target. None of that warrants an attention of the customer service department.


The only way for the vote kick function to be appropriate in your argument is if that "Difference in play style" was done out of spite/malice/grievance.

[Canadane]

I find this false because on many occasions SE has stressed the options "Harassment" "Afk" "Disconnected" is what it is and cannot be used for anything else.

They will punish you if you start believing it can be used for a "difference in play style" you speak. Provided you were reported for it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ically-allowed
While it may not be an option ingame, time has shown what is and isn't allowed.

[Cleftobismal]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ically-allowed
While it may not be an option ingame, time has shown what is and isn't allowed.

And just to clear things up, the reason I was kicked for had nothing to do with "different playstyles", the GM just put it in that category...

A bit contradictory don't you think?


Also knowing the Customer service department. Anything they say is typically never in unison and is scripted verbatim. To say the whole team believes in this because of one staff member who may not even be working as a Game master anymore, (As this thread is ultra old by 3 years) is a bit of a stretch.

And I also say this by experience. As I get a variety of responses from the same type of vote kick abuse I reported.







I must also add their responses on anything is always dangerously vague. And with good intentions, as we would often think what one person says is what the rest of the team members also believe in.



I'm not sure if we should continue to debate this as we may be getting off of the OP's point of the thread. Otherwise we will be going in pages and pages of "Well now we can just vote kick players for being under-geared or not playing to my expectations" etc etc.

[technole]

This reply is relevant to the OP.

I'm not sure if we should continue to debate this as we may be getting off of the OP's point of the thread. Otherwise we will be going in pages and pages of "Well now we can just vote kick players for being under-geared or not playing to my expectations" etc etc.

You can if you want to. DPS auto-attacking and watching Netflix? You don't even need a damage meter to know these things. That could be seen as a form of harassment by just not caring about mechanics, and slowing a run for other people whom have high DPS. No one says you have to be a world-leader in damage, just have to try, and you know, play the game.

That first response posted is about right on that. The vote dismiss is for a party to collectively decide who they want to play with. What a lot of people seem to forget that complain about this sort of thing is that they think everyone is solo queued. Believe it or not, a lot of people don't solo queue for roulettes .It takes two votes to dismiss.

Therefore if you are the one complaining about getting kicked often, you might need to learn to adjust your play style to fit what the rest of the party. Or just queue with your own friends.

[Cleftobismal]

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Because of the fact it only takes two to vote kick. The duo's tend to get pompous to abuse it.

Can't tell you how many times a player I reported looked up my discord because lo and behold. They were pulled to the Prison.


Everything is about context here, they don't oblige to it just because you said so. That's not how any of the reports work. If there is a proper cause (Which there typically is when the vote kick is used the way you suggest is 'Ok') they will investigate and handle it.


I fail to understand the reasoning behind those minds that they are bullet proof to the policies because a vote kick feature exist.


And to be frank, a difference of opinion, exactly coincides with your excuse on a Play style being a good reason to vote kick someone.

You might as well kick a tank for taking off Shield Oath/Deliverance/Grit during the boss pulls, just because you don't like that even if the aggro never leaves the tank.


And no joke, I've been vote kicked for DPS'ing as a healer. No one died by the way. Nor was close to. And we were progressing to the middle of the dungeon. It all started when I said to the BLM "You don't need to heal." As he was spamming Psy's on the Paladin throughout the whole entire*** duty not dpsing at all. His response was "You don't need to dps" and claimed he's been spamming heals as a BLM because I shouldn't be dpsing as a healer. Oh and guess what, the paladin jumped in as well and said "Yeah were chatting here in the fc and I don't like it when you healers dps. It's not your job to, just keep spam healing me or get out." BLM: "No lets kick him now" Pld:"K"


Do you still want to excuse that behavior? And lets drop the opinion that the GM team says its okay. (Reasons stated before on page 2) That is a dangerous assumption based off the way that was posted by a player and the information he himself put that contradicts your belief.

[technole]

Do you still want to excuse that behavior? And lets drop the opinion that the GM team says its okay. (Reasons stated before on page 2) That is a dangerous assumption based off the way that was posted by a player and the information he himself put that contradicts your belief.

At-least you didn't avoid the fact you were solo queued and decided to go against the party wishes, whether it's logical or not. To me getting to be kicked from a dungeon party that was 100% anti-cleric stance is probably blessing in disguise, their DPS is probably abysmal too. Heck, even taking a self 30-minute penalty is probably a lot less than dealing with 45 min+ dungeon because of their gameplay. Logical or not, you can't assume everyone is solo queued, and if you solo queue it's still in your best interest to get agreement.

[seekified]

I find this false because on many occasions SE has stressed the options "Harassment" "Afk" "Disconnected" is what it is and cannot be used for anything else.

They will punish you if you start believing it can be used for a "difference in play style" you speak. Provided you were reported for it.

The Terms of Service and Conduct have nothing to do with the way you play. Don't dps as a healer, don't cross class provoke, eat all the indicators, refuse to aoe and single target. None of that warrants an attention of the customer service department.


The only way for the vote kick function to be appropriate in your argument is if that "Difference in play style" was done out of spite/malice/grievance.

The GMs disagree.

EDIT: Canadane was quicker.