More action oriented combat! ~no auto-attack~

[Dreadnought]

You forgetting they're 25. 15+10

15+10? where did the extra 10 come from? this is the first ive heard of this

[Shneibel]

15+10? where did the extra 10 come from? this is the first ive heard of this

from cross

btw I believe there should be enough action at 2.0, we ll get pvp and stuff so the follow skill we got at 1.20 atm "should" be base skill for pvp as well

edit: and I prefer pvp like in Tera or L2, which are nearly 1 shot/kill for most of class or at worst Aion. WoW pvp is out of question

[Jinko]

from cross

btw I believe there should be enough action at 2.0, we ll get pvp and stuff so the follow skill we got at 1.20 atm "should" be base skill for pvp as well

edit: and I prefer pvp like in Tera or L2, which are nearly 1 shot/kill for most of class or at worst Aion. WoW pvp is out of question

LOL 1 shot killing in PVP is the worst.

[weeble]

LOL 1 shot killing in PVP is the worst.

except golden gun in golden eye 4player mode lol but that is a shooter, old arse one at that

by the way tera isn't 1 shot pvp is it? maybe i was looking at bad quality runs on youtube or wasn't paying enough attention but it looked like it was very long fights b4 deaths?

[Shneibel]

LOL 1 shot killing in PVP is the worst.

really ? I am enjoy it

edit: for mass pvp, not 1 on 1, and 1 shot is with ws not normal hit (l2 is abit different)

[Blarp]

from cross

btw I believe there should be enough action at 2.0, we ll get pvp and stuff so the follow skill we got at 1.20 atm "should" be base skill for pvp as well

edit: and I prefer pvp like in Tera or L2, which are nearly 1 shot/kill for most of class or at worst Aion. WoW pvp is out of question

You mean PVP that takes skill is out of the question? Sometimes it's fun to insta-gib someone, but it's terrible design. I've played 3s in WoW at 2k+ and there's times that I felt the burst was still too high even after all the resilience changes. It's impossible for PVP to remain competitive when everyone goes around globaling their opponents. It undermines the competitive spirit of PVP.

[Shneibel]

You mean PVP that takes skill is out of the question? Sometimes it's fun to insta-gib someone, but it's terrible design. I've played 3s in WoW at 2k+ and there's times that I felt the burst was still too high even after all the resilience changes. It's impossible for PVP to remain competitive when everyone goes around globaling their opponents. It undermines the competitive spirit of PVP.

sorry for being unclear about the 1 shot.
Usually most of time where 1 shot take place use to be a crit skill, other wise it will not be possible (l2 is another system).
Also in a 1 shot pvp game, there are skill, not individual but it will be toward party, because 1 shot only happen on cloth user which mean mage and healer.

to speak it out, I am not much about 1 on 1 pvp, but more about group/party pvp in a large scale.

1 on 1 is always unbalanced, but if party vs party thing will balanced out in 1 or other way, because class can cover each other weakness, for me this is skill

[yukikaze_yanagi]

15+10? where did the extra 10 come from? this is the first ive heard of this

From the table listed in the class reform post, which now i doubt you readed.
15 slots are reserved to the class, with 10 more slots for skills from other classes. 25 skill at level 50
ed: i'm speaking of this http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post441509