Monk Macros with Proper Rotation!

[Caitlyn]

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Both Monk guides are outdated (ffxivinfo for example is listing a weapon called "Prototype Midan Metal Knuckles", which doesnt exist in the game) and doesnt include the way to play your Monk at Level 60 (which is quite different). You should better check some forum guides like this.

Sure, some macros are nice to have (like replacing skills on my WAR depending on his current stance). But please dont even try to bring new players to heavily use macros instead of learning to play the class right. Macros like this arent helpfull in any situation. But speaking of that, I want to know, when does your macro become helpfull. In which situation exactly?

1. What? I would love you to proof that the best player in the game especially a Monk will never make a mistake in a 15 minute fight every time 100%! I really would love data backing up that claim! We are all human and we all make mistake as you stated about my macros.

Even when he does 5-10 mistakes (he must be drunk then), you macros will cause even more.

2. The Damage may be low but math is math. If you would like to disprove my evidence, I kindly ask you to hop onto your Monk.....apply my macro using a source for data as you saw I did with my video and show contrary evidence. Until then Caitlynn, with all due respect....I have data to back up my information as everyone can clearly see, if you would like to make claims to the contrary, please do so as I welcome it as a chance to improve my information. Until then, everything else is conjecture and theory without prove.

I will do, when I find time to do so. But when I do, doing side-by-side, what if I can prove you, that the actual damage loss is higher than 2% or 5%?

[TheRealMadruck]

Both Monk guides are outdated (ffxivinfo for example is listing a weapon called "Prototype Midan Metal Knuckles", which doesnt exist in the game) and doesnt include the way to play your Monk at Level 60 (which is quite different). You should better check some forum guides like this.

Sure, some macros are nice to have (like replacing skills on my WAR depending on his current stance). But please dont even try to bring new players to heavily use macros instead of learning to play the class right. Macros like this arent helpfull in any situation. But speaking of that, I want to know, when does your macro become helpfull. In which situation exactly?

First, never once did I ever say or reference to New players watching my video that this is the only way to play Monk, so lets get that clear now. Second, there are plenty of occasions! Fate Farms, Soloing older content, Chocobo Leveling, Low Level Dungeons that are so easy(I.E. Sastasha), Palace of the Dead....do I really have to name off every piece of content in game that is not Endgame?

Lastly, to your reference of the links I sent...the link you posted is also out of date which most updates are from patch 3.2 with the other pages talking about scattered data. Second, playing any job in FF14 can not be taught, watched or seen to truly be good at it as in any MMO or life in general. But it does give others a start to learn from and form their own methods of playing. So the data maybe old as you claim, but it still has alot of validity to it as there is not 100% guide to any class or Job in any MMO ever made!

[Caitlyn]

Second, there are plenty of occasions! Fate Farms, Soloing older content, Chocobo Leveling, Low Level Dungeons that are so easy(I.E. Sastasha), Palace of the Dead....do I really have to name off every piece of content in game that is not Endgame?

You were talking about "situations", not content. Even for Sastasha, you just need a handfull skills. It makes no difference here. Just saying.

Lastly, to your reference of the links I sent...the link you posted is also out of date which most updates are from patch 3.2 with the other pages talking about scattered data.

You re wrong. If you look closer, the second post also contains content (Monk video guide for Sophia Ex) from the current patch. The Monk doesnt changed very much in the previous patches, so its more up-to-date than your guides.

Show me your proof, thats all I have to say. And even if like you claim that it is 5%, lets says its 15%, how does it negate the fact that not once did I say this was the only way to play Monk or you must do my macros for Endgame? And if you say that my macros will do more harm than a Monk who is drunk, please provide yet again proof on that not words....I sincerely would like to see that comparison! As for you actually providing data and video evidence all of FF14 can see, I look forward to it and if you proof data contrary to my data especially doing not just endgame but any form of content using macros(that includes solo, fate farming etc....and how it is ineffective, I will correct my stance. Until then.....

Until then, you wont accept other opinions. I get that. Maybe I will try your macro, maybe I will not. Depends on. But actually, its not my job to prove other peoples opinion to be true or false. Otherwise I will end up sitting around and approve/disapprove every theory which come up here. I just want to say, that you should minimize your usage of macros to a bare minimum. Otherwise, your playstyle will tend to be very ineffective (in my opinion) and giving control to something which COULD cause more problems than anything else. Thats MY opinion based on MY experience. Thanks for reading.

[TheRealMadruck]

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Show me your proof, thats all I have to say. And even if like you claim that it is 5%, lets says its 15%, how does it negate the fact that not once did I say this was the only way to play Monk or you must do my macros for Endgame? And if you say that my macros will do more harm than a Monk who is drunk, please provide yet again proof on that not words....I sincerely would like to see that comparison! As for you actually providing data and video evidence all of FF14 can see, I look forward to it and if you proof data contrary to my data especially doing not just endgame but any form of content using macros(that includes solo, fate farming etc....and how it is ineffective, I will correct my stance. Until then.....

[Taika]

Show me your proof, thats all I have to say. And even if like you claim that it is 5%, lets says its 15%, how does it negate the fact that not once did I say this was the only way to play Monk or you must do my macros for Endgame?

The issue is you claimed this is a competitive way to play Monk, and it simply isn't because there's no way to pull competitive numbers in any content in this game using macros. Competitive in the context of this game means at least comparable to what above average players are able to do. And we know the averages because they are widely posted online for everyone to see.

[TheRealMadruck]

The issue is you claimed this is a competitive way to play Monk, and it simply isn't because there's no way to pull competitive numbers in any content in this game using macros. Competitive in the context of this game means at least comparable to what above average players are able to do. And we know the averages because they are widely posted online for everyone to see.

Again, it is competitive to all forms of content in FF14....why do you automatically assume that I was only speaking about Endgame? Please watch my 2nd video and see what I said to correlate this misconception. Macros are extremely useful on so many different occasions in FF14, but not once did I say it was sole for endgame and I apologize if the first video gave you that impression!

[Taika]

Again, it is competitive to all forms of content in FF14....why do you automatically assume that I was only speaking about Endgame?

I didn't assume anything. For this way of playing to be competitive, it would have to be able to provide DPS at least above average compared to other Monks. Because the competitiveness comes from comparison to other Monks. This is not content specific: you can compare using macros versus not using them in whatever content you wish. But using macros will always lose, and a player who uses macros will not be able to be competitive in comparison to a player who doesn't no matter what the content.

You're simply trying to promote an inferior way to play the game, and you descriping it as "competitive" is false.

[TheRealMadruck]

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Taika, I have factual data I posted on my 2nd video that shows that Macros are competitive with only a slight decrease to dps for casual and midcore content. As I have stated, I have never claimed that using only Macros is the only way to play Monk. You can consider it inferior as you like, but until you or anyone does a similar test and provides data that states to the contrary, everything else is pure speculation and theory....not based on facts. I have a public video showing that Macros do work for a number of different situations in game not just for Endgame. If you choose not to use Macros, that is your choice....but have the understanding that it is a built in system designed by SE for FF14 and if it was never supposed to be used......why hasnt Yoshi P or their Dev Team Pulled it from the FF14 system and why do they keep updating it with new commands?

[Taika]

Taika, I have factual data I posted on my 2nd video that shows that Macros are competitive with only a slight decrease to dps for casual and midcore content.

No, you have extremely limited data (1 fight comparison) showing that you using macros has certain % decrease in your DPS compared to your DPS when you don't use them. The data is not from level 60 and can't even be compared to actual current casual or midcore content (outside of leveling content) in the game. Furthermore, since your non-macro DPS in that data isn't even competitive for that level, the comparison doesn't prove anything even in that narrow context.

[Brill_]

.but have the understanding that it is a built in system designed by SE for FF14 and if it was never supposed to be used......why hasnt Yoshi P or their Dev Team Pulled it from the FF14 system and why do they keep updating it with new commands?

By this logic, SE put One Ilm Punch in the game, therefore it should be put of the main monk rotation.

It's been stated many times in this thread, macros have their uses, macros for a dps rotation is not one of them.