[Cash Shop Idea] Game Time Token

[dragonseth07]

Aldora, your concerns are valid, but please look at what the system actually did in WoW. It IS a fair system, and it did good things for the economy and RMT (didn't kill it, but it did hamper it).

Old players get to play for free (to them) with their massive gold stores, and old money gets regularly moved to other players. The billions of gold sitting doing nothing is moving again, and actually getting spent. The auction house didn't become a rich-only board, it just became more active. RMT took a hit because often the token is cheaper than what the RMT sellers could afford. So, anyone who could read would obviously take the cheaper option.

You dislike it on principle, but look at what it actually does. It is a good system over there. People had all the same concerns going into the WoW Token. I remember fruitlessly arguing on Blizzard's forums about it. But, now that it's out and going, it's shown to work well.

[Aldora]

Aldora, your concerns are valid, but please look at what the system actually did in WoW. It IS a fair system, and it did good things for the economy and RMT (didn't kill it, but it did hamper it).

Old players get to play for free (to them) with their massive gold stores, and old money gets regularly moved to other players. The billions of gold sitting doing nothing is moving again, and actually getting spent. The auction house didn't become a rich-only board, it just became more active. RMT took a hit because often the token is cheaper than what the RMT sellers could afford. So, anyone who could read would obviously take the cheaper option.

You dislike it on principle, but look at what it actually does. It is a good system over there. People had all the same concerns going into the WoW Token. I remember fruitlessly arguing on Blizzard's forums about it. But, now that it's out and going, it's shown to work well.

I understand you're against the principle, and I respect that, but I don't think this can harm the game as long as SE takes care of it.

Thank you for seeing and acknowledging my concerns and that i dislike it out of principle. I've been trying to get people to see the reasoning behind that.

I know that when it comes to cash shops, i'll be talking to a brick wall, since it's been rooted into the industry for quite some time now. However, that simply doesn't mean that it's OK.

We should not address the RMT issue by legalizing it. There is always going to be someone who will abuse the system. This is why i mentioned (on several occasions) that i'm not against gifting game time through the mog station, as long as it cannot be sold for in game currency or bought through it.

I cannot (and never will) agree with any forms of RMT. Truthfully, i also cannot stand it when people condone it for reasons mentioned earlier within this thread. Of course, I've made this known through my posts. This is my honest opinion and i will stand by it.

I sincerely hope that FFXIV will never have a WoWToken or Plex system, even though i have no say in it. Because, in the end, SE has to make the decision. However, he does have to know that i'm not the only one who's firmly against a system like this and Yoshida should at least be made aware of that.

[HPDelron]

Thank you for seeing and acknowledging my concerns and that i dislike it out of principle. I've been trying to get people to see the reasoning behind that.

I know that when it comes to cash shops, i'll be talking to a brick wall, since it's been rooted into the industry for quite some time now. However, that simply doesn't mean that it's OK.

We should not address the RMT issue by legalizing it. t.

OK. Let's talk principle for a moment. Let's talk about right and wrong. Let's talk about abuse and benefits.

I think it would be fair to say that people will always try to find an avenue for buying in-game stuff with real world money, and someone will always supply them. Even the strongest systems can't stamp it out. This market is going to be a thing no matter what SE does. Since it will always exist it becomes a matter of how the service is offered and who offers it.

The RMT gold-spammer folks? They're some pretty scummy operations. Not only do they often hack the accounts of their customers, in addition to spamming us all in game and operating in a way that does generate tons extra currency that inflates the gil:
They harm real people in making their money. Seriously these operations do "employ" people often in pretty brutal working conditions that would certainly be against the law in the US and often even are in their home countries. These operations are run by scumbags who cheat their customers and exploit their workers to make a buck. They're terrible.

You introduce something like a time token? You won't put them out of business but it will make a huge dent in how much FF14 supports them.

Right now every time we interact with the in game economy we are in some small part, interacting with and supporting them because we are interacting with and supporting the system that they rely on. Having time-tokens would greatly shrink that part.

In all honesty I'm reminded of prohibition in the USA. No matter if you like or dislike drinking it really did little to stop the drinking the problem. Instead of booze being produced by honest people making money and contributing the community, paying taxes and being safely overseen by regulators the business was taken up by criminals. Criminals that sold bad product, caused violence, didn't contribute the community and didn't pay their taxes.


RMT will always, always be a thing. SE currently pohibits it and leaves the market to the gil spammers who annoy us, who scam their customers, disrupt the market and abuse their workers.

SE introduces tokens and suddenly the market (like it or dislike it) is controlled by us, and by SE. A great deal more honest players benefit. A great deal fewer scumbags benefit, and for their trouble SE gets an infusion of cash they can use to improve them game for all of us.

[Lexia]

Who determines the price of these tokens? Being each server has different prices on the MB. I could not see that working as people would look to make big gil off it if they wealthy in RL by putting up tokens for like 20 million gil or something like that, um yea no thanks I will just pay my regular sub directly to SE.

[alimdia]

um yea no thanks I will just pay my regular sub directly to SE.

You seem confused, this system doesn't replace paying your sub normally, it adds an extra way to play the game, if it was to be implemented you wouldn't be forced to use it.

[Lexia]

You seem confused, this system doesn't replace paying your sub normally, it adds an extra way to play the game, if it was to be implemented you wouldn't be forced to use it.

I know that, didn't say I thought we be forced into anything. But back to the thread I pretty much would just be legal RMT, people with lot of expendable money can buy tokens to sell for in game money.

[Enur]

The price would be generated based on supply and demand, changing accordingly each hour

[Shirai]

The price would be generated based on supply and demand, changing accordingly each hour

It boggles my mind how you even remotely think that is going to work.

[Enur]

Works for Wow just fine. Prices were unstable for a few days but it was definately worth it in the long run